OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

[MyNameIsJonas]

On the Fangraphs trade deadline series, Bichette was in roughly the same category as Arozarena. I feel like if the team dealt him for a similar return to that... people would really hate that. I think he's not worth enough at this point to get a true top prospect, so the only thing you end up doing by trading him away is saving some money.

That's not to say I want to sign him long-term, but at this point, I almost feel you hope that he's back to what he was last year, in which case you either benefit from that, or his trade value might be higher at the deadline than in the off-season. And if it's not, the risk even if he has a bad year in putting out a qualifying offer is pretty minimal even if he gets hurt again or you don't get any decent offers at the deadline.

I wonder if one option might be to give him the Semien try right before free agency? Sign Adames in the off-season, move Bichette to 2b or 3b next year, and hope that he can learn it in Spring and become a valuable player there. It'd be a risk, but you get a more stable SS and maybe he will adapt well to the new spot.

If i am Bo, i am causing a hissyfit if they try to move me off SS a year out of FA.

I think the most likely scenario is they have a price, someone meets it in the offseason and we net a quantity over quality package with maybe one interesting top 100 name and a couple overagers the team were dealing with is cool moving for 25 man reasons. This FO loves MLB ready high floor, no ceiling garbage. If it's not met, they try to "compete" and hope a resurgent year boosts his value at the deadline ( honestly, not the worst strategy all things considered), and still try to sign an Adames/Bregman sort.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Both Matt Chapman and Chris Bassitt have come out in recent days blasting the Jays for culture/decisions

 

[MindzEye]

View: https://x.com/talkinbaseball_/status/1825553744014266548

 

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

View: https://x.com/talkinbaseball_/status/1825553744014266548

He is right.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

100% Bassitt is right

 

[CH1]

What BS. Only one team won the Ohtani sweepstakes. Many of the teams that didn’t get Ohtani managed to do quite well regardless

If your winning strategy consists of winning the lottery, time to admit you suck at your job

 

[MindzEye]

What BS. Only one team won the Ohtani sweepstakes. Many of the teams that didn’t get Ohtani managed to do quite well regardless

If your winning strategy consists of winning the lottery, time to admit you suck at your job

It's that there was no plan B. Or rather, that Justin Turner, IKF, et all were plan B....so there was no Plan B.

 

[CH1]

It's that there was no plan B. Or rather, that Justin Turner, IKF, et all were plan B....so there was no Plan B.

Me not winning Lotto Max last Friday has really forced me to stay the course on my Plan B

 

[MindzEye]

Me not winning Lotto Max last Friday has really forced me to stay the course on my Plan B

Eh, the gap between 700 million on Ohtani vs an aggressive off season of trades and signings to improve the known problems with the team from last year isn't the same difference as it is between winning lotto max and spending the week taking a few scalps on your trading app.

Ohtani, 5.8 WAR - 70M a year

or Chapman (4.0 for 18), Teo (2.6 for 23.6) , Burnes (3.0 for 15.6), & Martinez (1.2 for 9M)

The 2nd would have been a pretty, pretty good plan B.

 

[CH1]

That’s my point. You put in the work if your longshot bet doesn’t pan out. The chase for Ohtani was fun but never realistic

 

[MindzEye]

That’s my point. You put in the work if your longshot bet doesn’t pan out. The chase for Ohtani was fun but never realistic

That's what Bassitt is saying though, there was "no pivot" in his words.

Yeah, it was a massive front office failure.

 

[Leafin']

Fire them all.

 

[CH1]

That's what Bassitt is saying though, there was "no pivot" in his words.

Yeah, it was a massive front office failure.

My bad. I misunderstood him.

 

[MindzEye]

My bad. I misunderstood him.

To sum up what he's saying

- Didn't get Ohtani
- Front office had no plan B (pivot) after missing out on Ohtani
- Need to have 3-4 "superstars"
- Vladdy has no protection
- Pitching needed to be better

 

[CH1]

To sum up what he's saying

- Didn't get Ohtani
- Front office had no plan B (pivot) after missing out on Ohtani
- Need to have 3-4 "superstars"
- Vladdy has no protection
- Pitching needed to be better

I heard his “Didn’t get Ohtani” as an excuse. Ultimately not getting him was the most likely scenario (BY A LOT)…so from my perch shouldn’t even be part of the conversation

 

[axlsalinger]

There weren't a lot of great options in FA, though. Remember when the Jays were idiots and losers for not signing these guys?

(I know a lot of this was Jonas analysis, but still.)

Los Angeles Dodgers DFA Amed Rosario as Mookie Betts Returns From Injured List

The Rays sent infielder Amed Rosario to the Dodgers at the trade deadline, but Mookie Betts' return has already cost him his roster spot t

www.si.com

A's to DFA J.D. Davis

The Oakland A's are set to designate corner infielder J.D. Davis for assignment, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN. MLB.com's Martín Gallegos also tweeted that t

www.si.com

Yankees Designate J.D. Davis For Assignment

The Yankees announced this afternoon that they've activated infielder/outfielder Jazz Chisholm Jr. after acquiring him from the Marlins yesterday. Chisholm …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Detroit Tigers veteran Gio Urshela designated for assignment as infield prospects arrive

Gio Urshela is still owed about $353,000 of his $1.5 million salary, which he agreed to when he signed a one-year contract with the Detroit Tigers.

www.freep.com

It’s time for the Atlanta Braves to move on from Adam Duvall

The Atlanta Braves have not gotten the production they expected from Adam Duvall. Is it time to consider moving on from the fan-favorite outfielder?

housethathankbuilt.com

 

[axlsalinger]

That being said, while it may not have mattered anyway because they had so many poor performances and injuries this year, they absolutely should've tried harder to sign Teoscar Hernandez and/or Matt Chapman.

 

[MindzEye]

There weren't a lot of great options in FA, though. Remember when the Jays were idiots and losers for not signing these guys?

(I know a lot of this was Jonas analysis, but still.)

Los Angeles Dodgers DFA Amed Rosario as Mookie Betts Returns From Injured List

The Rays sent infielder Amed Rosario to the Dodgers at the trade deadline, but Mookie Betts' return has already cost him his roster spot t

www.si.com

A's to DFA J.D. Davis

The Oakland A's are set to designate corner infielder J.D. Davis for assignment, according to Jeff Passan of ESPN. MLB.com's Martín Gallegos also tweeted that t

www.si.com

Yankees Designate J.D. Davis For Assignment

The Yankees announced this afternoon that they've activated infielder/outfielder Jazz Chisholm Jr. after acquiring him from the Marlins yesterday. Chisholm …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Detroit Tigers veteran Gio Urshela designated for assignment as infield prospects arrive

Gio Urshela is still owed about $353,000 of his $1.5 million salary, which he agreed to when he signed a one-year contract with the Detroit Tigers.

www.freep.com

It’s time for the Atlanta Braves to move on from Adam Duvall

The Atlanta Braves have not gotten the production they expected from Adam Duvall. Is it time to consider moving on from the fan-favorite outfielder?

housethathankbuilt.com

It's easy to criticise things people say when their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd preferred options are gone.

If you want my receipts, on Dec 16 I wanted Chapman, Teo for LF , and JD Martinez to replace Belt. Chapman is Chapman, Teo's 129 wRC+ & JD's 123 would have looked pretty, pretty good on this anemic lineup.

 

[drewser]

View: https://x.com/brandon_n_wile/status/1825559962057159000?s=61

 

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

View: https://x.com/brandon_n_wile/status/1825559962057159000?s=61

Sounds to risky to me.