OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

[MindzEye]

Would people approve of Bregman and the 6-7 years he surely gets?

Yes.

But it would be kind of fucking hilarious and again, on brand, that the front office's best moves this off season would be fixing past mistakes with more money and years than not fucking up in the first place would have cost. Keeping Teo and Chapman would have been the same impact, for less money and long term risk.

But yes, fix the fucking mistakes and do it.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Also, none of this matters if Vlad isnt extended.

If he bolts Santander and Hoffman are just nice deadline deals in 2 years for whoever takes over for these clowns.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Due to deferrals Santander's 2025 salary will be 14M

I can say fairly confidently, they aint done

 

[axlsalinger]

Trading Teo was a mistake, for sure. Supposedly they offered a multi-year contract to Chapman though, he chose not to take it and then wait until March to sign a one-year deal because #Boras. If true that's on him, not the Jays.

 

[zeke]

Would people approve of Bregman and the 6-7 years he surely gets?

He's arguably the cleanest fit of Bregman/Alonso with Profar being a clean fit but obvious tier down

for shame. do you care nothing about ed rogers' pocket book !?!!?

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Trading Teo was a mistake, for sure. Supposedly they offered a multi-year contract to Chapman though, he chose not to take it and then wait until March to sign a one-year deal because #Boras. If true that's on him, not the Jays.

I heard the offer to Chapman was delayed until after the Ohtani dust settled, if this matters at all

Chapman's exit interview also seemed to indicate he didnt like something about playing here as well

 

[MindzEye]

Trading Teo was a mistake, for sure. Supposedly they offered a multi-year contract to Chapman though, he chose not to take it and then wait until March to sign a one-year deal because #Boras. If true that's on him, not the Jays.

There's always a fucking excuse eh?

Yes, they offered him a contract (that ended up much smaller than the one he signed one year later) and yes he wanted to test free agency. We panic signed Ralph Falafel or some shit instead of just patiently waiting to bag our guy.....or better yet, not be cheap cunts originally when we offered the extension.

If they signed Bregman (don't worry, they probably won't), they would be paying more money for longer than they would have had to throw at Chapman to keep him here.

But also yeah, he didn't love it here but by the sounds of it mostly because the coach Shatkins hired is a clown.

 

[MindzEye]

Chapman's exit interview also seemed to indicate he didnt like something about playing here as well

I mean, that's on the guys who have run the organization for the last decade too though, no?

 

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

Due to deferrals Santander's 2025 salary will be 14M

I can say fairly confidently, they aint done

If only Myles Shaw wasn’t making 8 mill or whatever

 

[axlsalinger]

There's always a fucking excuse eh?

Yes, they offered him a contract (that ended up much smaller than the one he signed one year later) and yes he wanted to test free agency. We panic signed Ralph Falafel or some shit instead of just patiently waiting to bag our guy.....or better yet, not be cheap cunts originally when we offered the extension.

If they signed Bregman (don't worry, they probably won't), they would be paying more money for longer than they would have had to throw at Chapman to keep him here.

But also yeah, he didn't love it here but by the sounds of it mostly because the coach Shatkins hired is a clown.

Speculation about free agency, speculation about the contract, speculation about his exit interview.



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[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

Due to deferrals Santander's 2025 salary will be 14M

I can say fairly confidently, they aint done

If only Myles Shaw wasn’t making 8 mill or whatever

I heard the offer to Chapman was delayed until after the Ohtani dust settled, if this matters at all

Chapman's exit interview also seemed to indicate he didnt like something about playing here as well

He didn’t like the coaching/analytics and the clubhouse

 

[MindzEye]

speculation about free agency, speculation about the contract, speculation about his exit interview.


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We offered 6/125 and he turned it down. Took a 3 yr with player options, and then signed 6/151

Maybe he knew his value?

 

[axlsalinger]

He didn't want to sign which is his right, but not waiting until March hoping he changes his mind was our right. And absolutely the right decision.

He definitely had a good year, but that contract is going to be very bad the last couple of years. I'll pass.

 

[MindzEye]

And absolutely the right decision.

I mean, clearly fucking not. We were really worried about doing without the journeyman utility guy we signed?

He definitely had a good year, but that contract is going to be very bad the last couple of years. I'll pass.

I mean, you said the same fucking thing to me when we traded Teo, that his next contract was going to look bad so the return was good. Our window to win, or whatever the fuck passes for one, is now. Worry about 2028 in 2028. You can't compete now and mitigate future risk, professional sports just doesn't fucking work that way.

 

[axlsalinger]

I mean, clearly fucking not. We were really worried about doing without the journeyman utility guy we signed?


I mean, you said the same fucking thing to me when we traded Teo, that his next contract was going to look bad so the return was good. Our window to win, or whatever the fuck passes for one, is now. Worry about 2028 in 2028. You can't compete now and mitigate future risk, professional sports just doesn't fucking work that way.

I agree on Teo, they could've properly replaced him but didn't and in the end it was a mistake.

This is not that, though. The guy was offered well over 500% of what he ended up signing for that year. That's ALL on him.

 

[MindzEye]

This is not that, though. The guy was offered well over 500% of what he ended up signing for that year. That's ALL on him.

He signed for 3/54 with player options, he had a good year and opted out to sign 6/151. The fuck are you talking about "it's on him"? This worked out much better for him than taking 6/125 would have been.

We didn't do enough to keep an elite 3B, full stop.

 

[axlsalinger]

101, 118, 110, 121 last 4 years.

Good hitter, great glove, not elite.

also, you make it sound crazy that we didn't offer him $150 million dollars, but 29 other GMs didn't offer him more than $54. Which itself was really only 1/16 with an opt out which he was always going to do, unless he was total shit.

 

[MindzEye]

101, 118, 110, 121 last 4 years.

Good hitter, great glove, not elite.

Over the 4 years you mentioned he's 7th in 3B WAR, with only 3 guys averaging more than .5 WAR per season more than him. But sure, don't call him elite if it hurts your feelings.

Really, really fucking good will do just fine.

also, you make it sound crazy that we didn't offer him $150 million dollars, but 29 other GMs didn't offer him more than $54.

and they kind of look dumb for not just offering him 150 last year.

 

[axlsalinger]

fine, let's just define "elite" as the top 7 players at every position

 

[Pwner]

But.... Chapman's value is based on his defensive WAR...... hmmmm... I thought we hated those players.