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Listened to this audiobook over the past week, and it was one of the more entertaining books I’ve ever read in terms of methodically going through a F.B.I. investigation step by step, and seeing just how thoroughly they look into every possible option, eliminating them one by one…..following every lead, no matter how crackpot, until they could definitively cross it off the list.

Highly recommend it…..also Richard Poe is the narrator, (he did Cormac McCarthy’s ‘Blood Meridian’ and Woodward and Bernsteins “All the Presidents Men’…..phenomenal narrator).


I think it’s currently free to Audible subscribers as well.
 
Oh and Pat Milton who wrote it, was a journalist following the case from the beginning, and she was nominated for a Pulitzer for her work covering it.
 
Montana said:
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Listened to this audiobook over the past week, and it was one of the more entertaining books I’ve ever read in terms of methodically going through a F.B.I. investigation step by step, and seeing just how thoroughly they look into every possible option, eliminating them one by one…..following every lead, no matter how crackpot, until they could definitively cross it off the list.

Highly recommend it…..also Richard Poe is the narrator, (he did Cormac McCarthy’s ‘Blood Meridian’ and Woodward and Bernsteins “All the Presidents Men’…..phenomenal narrator).


I think it’s currently free to Audible subscribers as well.
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Nice. Just downloaded it.
 
Habspatrol said:
Man, I don't know. From everything I've seen, he sure looks guilty. I've seen the Netflix one but not the Peacock one.

I mean, he went fishing 90 miles away from home... and the body just happened to be found in the exact area that he went fishing... 90 miles from home?
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Haven’t watched the doc yet but I followed every single development in that case when it happened and I’m stunned this is a conversation again.
 
JackBurton said:
The fishing thing is super suspicious no doubt. But there are credible witnesses who saw her after she was supposed to be dead+her watch was pawned it appeared(It's missing to this day). Also, that van found near by that was burned with blood on a mattress. I have no idea why it still hasn't been tested. Also, everyone knew he was fishing there. The body could have been dumped there afterwards. It's also interesting there's a robbery across the street at the same time she goes missing.
I tend to think there'd be DNA somewhere. They don't even know when or how she died.
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So I go fishing with my partner quite a bit but if I went missing, turned up dead in the body of water he was fishing at when he told my family he was golfing, there’s cement powder on the boat trailer, google searches of the tides, strands of my hair in a pair of pliers on the boat, he’s told his mistress I’m dead and he’s packed a getaway bag and any of you mfers are in the True Crime thread trying to say he didn’t do it, I would definitely haunt the everloving shit out of you guys.
 
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It does confuse me that The Innocence Project took this case.

Obviously, they are not infallible, but they've done so much great work over the years. It's hard to wrap my head around them putting time into this case when there are so many, far more innocent looking people locked up.
 
Habspatrol said:
It does confuse me that The Innocence Project took this case.

Obviously, they are not infallible, but they've done so much great work over the years. It's hard to wrap my head around them putting time into this case when there are so many, far more innocent looking people locked up.
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Genuinely confused about this too. I can’t make an alternate suspect fit in with the facts to provide reasonable doubt here.

Edit: I just googled, didn’t realize the LA Innocence Project is actually a separate organization from The Innocence Project.
 
hockeylover said:
So I go fishing with my partner quite a bit but if I went missing, turned up dead in the body of water he was fishing at when he told my family he was golfing, there’s cement powder on the boat trailer, google searches of the tides, strands of my hair in a pair of pliers on the boat, he’s told his mistress I’m dead and he’s packed a getaway bag and any of you mfers are in the True Crime thread trying to say he didn’t do it, I would definitely haunt the everloving shit out of you guys.
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as an outside observer with no prior knowledge of any of this... I find this summary pretty compelling.
 
hockeylover said:
So I go fishing with my partner quite a bit but if I went missing, turned up dead in the body of water he was fishing at when he told my family he was golfing, there’s cement powder on the boat trailer, google searches of the tides, strands of my hair in a pair of pliers on the boat, he’s told his mistress I’m dead and he’s packed a getaway bag and any of you mfers are in the True Crime thread trying to say he didn’t do it, I would definitely haunt the everloving shit out of you guys.
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100% we would be trying to pin it on one of prestos alter egos
 
hockeylover said:
Genuinely confused about this too. I can’t make an alternate suspect fit in with the facts to provide reasonable doubt here.

Edit: I just googled, didn’t realize the LA Innocence Project is actually a separate organization from The Innocence Project.
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Ahhhhh.... okay THAT makes more sense now. Phew.
 
Montana said:
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Listened to this audiobook over the past week, and it was one of the more entertaining books I’ve ever read in terms of methodically going through a F.B.I. investigation step by step, and seeing just how thoroughly they look into every possible option, eliminating them one by one…..following every lead, no matter how crackpot, until they could definitively cross it off the list.

Highly recommend it…..also Richard Poe is the narrator, (he did Cormac McCarthy’s ‘Blood Meridian’ and Woodward and Bernsteins “All the Presidents Men’…..phenomenal narrator).


I think it’s currently free to Audible subscribers as well.
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Just finished the book. Definitely a great listen. Very similar read to "Bad Blood" and "Too Big to Fail" (also highly recommended). I took a lot of notes aside from the below, I'd be happy to share if anyone likes.

My Key Takeaway:

Yes the FBI work was very interesting, they went from depth of the sea to Irish Pubs several state over to get to the truth. My key takeaway however, was that conspiracy theorists in form of grifters and some who actually believe their BS, have been with us forever. We have Alex Jones/Ben Shapiro and Mike Pillow now, here we had Pierre Salinger (Kennedy's Press Secretary), and three others (whose name I didn't write down but went to jail for their conspiracies). Salinger kept going on TV and promoting conspiracy theories that the US government was hiding a friendly fire situation just to stay relevant; while the others went as far as actually stealing material from the site to try to prove their conspiracy that there was a missile involved! sounds so familiar to today's election denialism.

This was a massive investigation, so answers weren't coming easily and quickly. These delays caused conspiracy theories, they got wilder and wilder, forcing media to report them, which then gave way to even wilder conspiracies. Most theories began with a kernel of truth. All sounds so familiar. "It made sense of the unknowns" as the author said.

And all these conspiracies required over 250 people who came into contact with the plane, as well has hundreds of agents, divers, and investigators, along with several departments to co-conspire and keep things quiet in favour of the conspiracy. Again, you see similarities to today's America here.
 
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