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OT: True Crime

axlsalinger said:
yeah, it's relatively easy to make the case that Avery didn't do it, but it's complicated by the fact that somebody did.

It's been a while since I went through the details of the case, but if I remember correctly that room was searched at least 2 times before they "found" the key. There's something suspicious about all the evidence, really.

Brendan's story is the strangest part of the whole thing, there is no evidence in the room or the garage to support anything he said in his story, and we know some cops are willing to plant details in someone's head before they turn the camera on, especially someone like Brendan with a learning disability. I find it hard to believe he was involved at all, but just like An Innocent Man, a videotaped confession is a motherfucking strong piece of evidence.
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That pissed me me off. He told them he stabbed her and they corrected and made said he shot her. They were taking advantage of him. He didn't do anything. There's nothing against him other than the ridiculous "Confession" which you see on tape Cops led him to that.
 
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The more I read the more convinced I become that Oswald either got the luckiest bullseye in firearms history or he wasn't the shooter. If it was luck it would have been a luckier shot than Barry Pepper putting a bullet through that German sniper's scope in Saving Private Ryan (another feat of marksmanship that was physically impossible, but that was just a movie)
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Quantitative Analysis and Gunshot wound dynamics modeling that goes into excruciating detail confirms the shot came from behind.

Gunshot-wound dynamics model for John F. Kennedy assassination - PMC

U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated while riding in an open motorcade by a sniper in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. A civilian bystander, Mr. Abraham Zapruder, filmed the motorcade with a 8-mm home movie camera as it drove through ...
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Recreating of the shooting same height & distance, all done with a Carcano bolt action like Oswald used, except unlike him all the shooters had no prior experience with said weapon. (Also I believe the modern accepted timeframe to get the shots off is now considered to be just over 8 seconds)

Also, men who were in the marine corps with Oswald have confirmed that he could have easily achieved these shots.

Select Committee on Assassinations also confirmed their testing & analysis showed it came from the Carcano & around the 6th floor depository.

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Blood spatter analysis has also shown the shots came from above & behind the President, consistent with the shooter being in the book depository.

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Here’s the photo of the “pristine magic bullet” that Oliver Stone, Joe Rogan and their ilk like to show, to demonstrate how impossible it is that it’s the one that hit Kennedy & Connelly.

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Now here’s the other photo of that same bullet that your pal Montana will show you, because he cares about you knowing the truth…and isn’t trying to dupe you.



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and here is some ballistics experts showing how plausible it is for a bullet to come out like this, after going through soft tissue, slowing, deflecting, etc…as it did…

 
How Oliver Stone had Kevin Costner tell you the bullet travelled…..versus how it did. (pretty much anyway, it did tumble forward coming out of Kennedy)
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as you can kinda see here, the backseat is slightly higher in the presidential limo..

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If you're going to use the Warren Commission Report as "evidence" then you've already lost the argument.

It's not that I necessarily believe the Oliver Stone version, or at least all of it. I've read books that say it could have been something as simplistic as a mafia hit. All I know for certain is that it didn't go down the way the Warren Commission said it did, nor was it a lone nutbar acting alone.

If you find the Oliver Stone "mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma" approach is overly complex, check out a 1973 film called "Executive Action" with Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan, a movie based on Mark Lane's book "Rush to Judgement" where, surprise, surprise, the villains are rich, old, white racists.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
If you're going to use the Warren Commission Report as "evidence" then you've already lost the argument.
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the irony here is the complete opposite is true…The Warren Commission Report has a fuckton of flaws, but it is also a treasure trove of factual information that conspiracy theorists like the close their eyes and skip by….

if one rejects the Warren Report whole cloth, they’re not interested in learning the truth….they’re interested in backing their favourite theory.

WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
It's not that I necessarily believe the Oliver Stone version, or at least all of it. I've read books that say it could have been something as simplistic as a mafia hit. All I know for certain is that it didn't go down the way the Warren Commission said it did, nor was it a lone nutbar acting alone.
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yeah but you’re wrong on that, as the information I’ve posted in this thread shows quite clearly.

read all those conspiracy books as well in my youth, soaked it all up and believed the hype…until I circled back to it years later and took the time to look at the real evidence & not just here say, rumours, and outright fabrications by most of the authors looking to sell their profinarrative.

WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
If you find the Oliver Stone "mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma" approach is overly complex, check out a 1973 film called "Executive Action" with Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan, a movie based on Mark Lane's book "Rush to Judgement" where, surprise, surprise, the villains are rich, old, white racists.
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“Overly complex” = lol.

what’s amusing is that people read conspiracy theory books because they’re entertaining, weave a narrative…it’s going through the actual factual evidence that is slow, and boring, and “overly complex”…..it also tells you the truth tho…..zzzz 🥱


So yeah, I’m not watching fiction to discover anything new about this case….as for Mark Lane was someone who publicly declared he wanted to be Oswald’s lawyer after the fact, (and all the publicity that comes along with that, conveniently).

His book is nothing more than a defence attorneys argument to the jury….which while worth reading, is full of falsehoods, and is the equivalent of being a juror that left the room anytime the prosecution was making their case.
 
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worm said:
Something something grassy knoll
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Largely suspected to be a result of the acoustics of Dealey Plaza, and the sound of the shots echoing off the larger buildings.

….and 90% of people interviewed in Dealey Plaza that day, said they only heard 3 shots.
 
axlsalinger said:
no idea what this means. but no, a non-documentary movie made with actors and a script is not viewed as "evidence"
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that back and to the left….is evidence of a shot from the front.

that’s one thing that’s been so conclusively proven false, it’d be shocked to find people still believed it.
 
if I had to bet my life on one side or the other, i would probably have to go with Oswald. He could have made those shots, was obviously in the building, etc. I did lean back to Oswald when I first heard about the raised seats in the back of the limo, as it explains the only way a bullet could possibly have hit both men where it did.

But a "magic bullet" is still required to do everything the Warren Commission claims it did. and I think even many pro-Oswald people believe the bullet you showed was dropped onto the stretcher after the fact.

If anyone's interested, here's a well-made (and recent) documentary looking into inconsistencies and forensic evidence.

 
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