OT: True Crime

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

that back and to the left….is evidence of a shot from the front.

that’s one thing that’s been so conclusively proven false, it’d be shocked to find people still believed it.

That and the fact that the back of Kennedy's head was blown off and all his brain matter went back on to the trunk of the limo. .22 caliber bullets shot from behind cause that kind of massive damage all the time.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

The numbers guys from insurance companies are never wrong about this stuff.

 

[Montana]

if I had to bet my life on one side or the other, i would probably have to go with Oswald. He could have made those shots, was obviously in the building, etc. I did lean back to Oswald when I first heard about the raised seats in the back of the limo, as it explains the only way a bullet could possibly have hit both men where it did.

But a "magic bullet" is still required to do everything the Warren Commission claims it did. and I think even many pro-Oswald people believe the bullet you showed was dropped onto the stretcher after the fact.

Id agree on the surface it’s one of weirder elements of the case, (especially as presented in most docs)…

....but it also aligns with some pretty key points we know….

(a) the ballistics matches the carcano found at the 6th floor window…

(b) that the bullet it’s believed to be, came to a stop in Connelly’s left thigh, barely embedding itself and leaving a “superficial wound”…

(c) no other bullet was ever discovered in the limo.

(d) it was found on the gurney Connolly was transported on.

If anyone's interested, here's a well-made (and recent) documentary looking into inconsistencies and forensic evidence.

I’ll try to check it out….but I warn you I might fact check it.

 

[hockeylover]

yep, because of the echo of the shots. (and the fact people are terrible at gauging what direction a shot came from in general)

i'd lean towards this and i can't tell you how many shooting witnesses i've talked to. tons.

 

[Montana]

That and the fact that the back of Kennedy's head was blown off

it wasnt.

and all his brain matter went back on to the trunk of the limo.

It’s almost like the limo was being driven when he was shot…

.22 caliber bullets shot from behind cause that kind of massive damage all the time.

I mean, you’re only telling on yourself, if you think it can’t.

 

[Montana]

i'd lean towards this and i can't tell you how many shooting witnesses i've talked to. tons.

the one poster on this board with any experience with this kind of thing, and she’s on my side!!

seriously tho, when you go through the interviews of everyone who was there, it’s wild just how many drastically different eye witness accounts you get, that completely contradict one another.

there’s dozens of completely different (and contradictory) accounts of what people believed they saw in the book depository before any shots were fired.

 

[axlsalinger]

Oliver Stone recently made a documentary looking at the evidence for conspiracy, much of it coming out in the last decade as a large chunk of JFK files became unclassified. Definitely worth a look if you're interested in this topic (confusingly, there is both a 2-hour and 4-hour version), you can rent the 2-hr version on YouTube.



He worked with James DiEugenio on the film and book. Dude has done a few interviews and they're really interesting and worth checking out.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

it wasnt.

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It’s almost like the limo was being driven when he was shot…



I mean, you’re only telling on yourself, if you think it can’t.

That isn't a photo. It's a drawing of a photo and it is not accurate and nothing like how JFK's skull was described by people who were in the autopsy room at Bethesda Naval Hospital. The doctor who performed the autopsy had never dealt with a case where the subject had died of gunshot wounds. The doctor at Parkland Hospital in Dallas described the head wound he saw quite differently.



Here's an actual autopsy photo.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

About 3 weeks before JFK was killed, there was another assassination plot in Chicago that was stopped before it could be carried out. The would-be assassination was very similar to Oswald, almost as if he'd been manufactured at the same factory as Oswald.

Thomas Arthur Vallee

 

[Montana]

Oliver Stone recently made a documentary looking at the evidence for conspiracy, much of it coming out in the last decade as a large chunk of JFK files became unclassified. Definitely worth a look if you're interested in this topic (confusingly, there is both a 2-hour and 4-hour version), you can rent the 2-hr version on YouTube.

obviously I’ve watched both versions and bought the book, ….but unlike the Untold History book, this one was basically just a transcript of the film…

but it’s batshit how much shit he gets wrong in this film, especially since it’s so easily debunked/explained well before this was ever made. (I can only assume Stone was a bit lazy, and just took DiEugenio at his word, (who is pretty loose with the facts…as most career conspiracy theorists are)….cause it’s embarrassing some of it made the final.

Like they talk about the straps being different on the Carcano retrieved from the 6th floor….and the one in the catalogue that Oswald ordered it from.

when long ago people have looked into this, called the company and they confirmed they still had the old models photo in the magazine, while selling the new model whose straps had changed position.

Like, cmon…that’s a grade school level mistake to make. Let alone cling to long after it’s been explained. Just tons of that kind of thing in all these docs.

 

[axlsalinger]

seriously tho, when you go through the interviews of everyone who was there, it’s wild just how many drastically different eye witness accounts you get, that completely contradict one another.

there’s dozens of completely different (and contradictory) accounts of what people believed they saw in the book depository before any shots were fired.

obviously cause there were shooters everywhere

 

[Montana]

That isn't a photo. It's a drawing of a photo

Thank you, I didn’t notice that…on mobile and it’s a hell of a drawing, but once you said it it’s very obvious (aside from the hair which is crazy well done).

 

[axlsalinger]

That isn't a photo. It's a drawing of a photo and it is not accurate and nothing like how JFK's skull was described by people who were in the autopsy room at Bethesda Naval Hospital. The doctor who performed the autopsy had never dealt with a case where the subject had died of gunshot wounds.

it is kind of funny that montana would produce that pic, considering how many of the doctors & nurses at the hospital that day dispute the official story

 

[Montana]

it is kind of funny that montana would produce that pic, considering how many of the doctors & nurses at the hospital that day dispute the official story

apology accepted.

Spoiler: Warning Graphic Photos

@axlsalinger @WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Thank you, I didn’t notice that…on mobile and it’s a hell of a drawing, but once you said it it’s very obvious (aside from the hair which is crazy well done).

I've added to my original post. a drawing made by one of the doctors at Parkland Hospital and an actual autopsy photo from Bethesda that leaked out years after the fact.

The Warren Commission relied on the drawings by artist Ida Dox and those are the ones that were published in the Commission Report. The actual photos were deemed too extreme for public viewing. In 1964 a lot of people would have freaked out had they saw images of JFK's dead eyes.

 

[Montana]

Here's an actual autopsy photo.
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That literally shows the top of his skull blown off from the back, as we know occurred…and witnessed in the Zapruder film.

 

[Montana]

I've added to my original post. a drawing made by one of the doctors at Parkland Hospital and an actual autopsy photo from Bethesda that leaked out years after the fact.

The Warren Commission relied on the drawings by artist Ida Dox and those are the ones that were published in the Commission Report. The actual photos were deemed too extreme for public viewing. In 1964 a lot of people would have freaked out had they saw images of JFK's dead eyes.
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And I posted the photo the drawing was made from above, (under the spoiler tag since it’s graphic) that pretty conclusively shows the back of his head wasn’t blown off, as you stated it was.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

That literally shows the top of his skull blown off from the back, as we know occurred…and witnessed in the Zapruder film.

The Zapruder film is the wild card that the plotters didn't count on, the one variable they couldn't control. It proves definitively that Kennedy was shot from the front. Without the Zapruder film, the official version would have never been questioned.

 

[Montana]

The Zapruder film is the wild card that the plotters didn't count on, the one variable they couldn't control. It proves definitively that Kennedy was shot from the front. Without the Zapruder film, the official version would have never been questioned.

I mean you ignored the quantitative analysis I posted twice that goes in depth about it being a shot from the back, and confirming the movements we see in the Zapruder film as lining up with it.

In fact you’ve ignored all the evidence I posted that proves it….and sound like you’re still replying on the long outdated “back and to the left” nonsense

 

[Montana]

….and trust me, I know where you’re coming from. 10 years ago I’d have been making all the same arguments you boys have made, nearly to the letter.