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OT: WWE/MMA/Boxing Thread

Poirier made 1 million + a cut of PPV revenue fighting Conor. The most he's ever made in a fight, by a lot apparently. I understand why he's prioritizing that kind of cake again. The fight did big numbers. 1.6 million buys internationally at ~80-90 USD per.

Dustin isn't a dummy, there's a reason this is what he's asked for specifically.
 
It still bothers me that Poirier isn't the Lightweight champion right now.

That fight with McGregor was, for all intent & purposes, the championship fight.

But whatever. Poirier's one of my favorite fighters and if he wants a second McGregor fight to have life-changing money, good on him.

The worst thing that could happen to the UFC is Chandler winning. Bellator would have a field day with it; Your 155lbs champ got stopped in the first round by our 145lbs champ.
 
MindzEye said:
Poirier made 1 million + a cut of PPV revenue fighting Conor. The most he's ever made in a fight, by a lot apparently. I understand why he's prioritizing that kind of cake again. The fight did big numbers. 1.6 million buys internationally at ~80-90 USD per.

Dustin isn't a dummy, there's a reason this is what he's asked for specifically.
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Any ball park idea what UFC gives the fighters from total gross earnings

Hockey has a 50/50 on HRR but me thinks the payout is stupid low
 
GEEMAN said:
Any ball park idea what UFC gives the fighters from total gross earnings

Hockey has a 50/50 on HRR but me thinks the payout is stupid low
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About 16-19%

Depending on which source you believe, something like 40% of the UFC roster makes more than 100K USD a year direct from the UFC (including direct sponsorship from Reebok, and fight bonuses). A lot of them are on 30/30 - 50/50 type deals (30 to show, 30 to win) and fight twice a year. Be on a 30/30 and go 1-1 in your 2 fights for the year, and you made 90K + Reebok sponsorship (which is dick for lesser known fighters)

Now, they're allowed to sign sponsorship deals outside of their main UFC revenue stream, but without being able to display sponsors during any UFC events, it heavily cuts into the visibility the sponsors receive from sponsoring fighters and thus, what they're willing to pay.

Sponsorship used to be an easy ~100K+ a fight for well-known guys (Schaub was never more than a gatekeeper for example, and has said that he used to be 100K or more a fight) and according to Myles Jury is closer to 10-20K a fight now (not including Reebok cake which tops out at 35-40K for champions I think) for most fighters. Champions and well known contenders can have multiple sponsors that pay monthly apparently, and the going rate for a guy like Wonderboy for example is 5-10K a month for him to rep your clothing brand, supplements, etc, etc.

Overall the UFC is about a half of a step up from the NCAA on the exploit-o-metre imo. You're an "independent contractor" when it's convenient to the UFC, but you either sign multi fight deals that includes likeness rights, forced into their sponsorship programs (gotta wear Reebok kit, can't bring non UFC sponsor flags to the octagon, etc) or fuck off and go fight for Belator, One, etc.

It's going to take seeing a generation or three of broken bodies and CTE retire from the sport with next to nothing for the fighters to stop with the crabs in a barrel shit and make the Tomato pay what he should be paying.
 
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Yup. The court documents in the current lawsuit against the UFC explicitly states that the UFC wants the fighters to get around that % of revenues.

If the fighters had any common sense, they'd unionize in a second. I don't see the day where the fighters & UFC will be split 50/50, though.

As long as the current lawsuit doesn't lead to the Ali Act applying to MMA. That would be a fucking disaster.
 
A union would fix a lot. I don't see the UFC going 50/50, but doubling their share from here or at minimum getting rid of these cheapo forced sponsorship deals would be fine. If you could get back to ranked guys making 100K+ a fight from sponsorships, then I think you're in an okay place.

When you have a Brunson type guy fighting twice a year on a 50/50, going 1-1 as a main card fighter and pulling 350K from direct earnings and fight sponsorship, I think we're in the right ballpark.

I'd like to see a ranking bonus that comes with a boxing style mandatory challenger setup. Throw in a bonus that scales up the higher you're ranked, but make any UFC-approved fight offer (that allows for a full camp) from a challenger within 5 ranking spots a mandatory challenge to that ranking spot. Would kind of help solve two problems at once. Would help increase fighter pay for ranked fighters, and it would add financial penalty for ducking other ranked fighters. It would limit this sitting back and ducking guys close to, but below you in the rankings because you're waiting for a title fight or you think he's a bad style match, etc. Build in a requirement for 3rd party medical sign off for injured/recovering fighters with some sort of a post fight grace period so that that Tomato can't pick favourites and abuse the system. Right now way too much is left up to whether or not you kiss the ring or have the type of heat that Dana is looking for.

There's no way a ranked fighter should be fighting twice a year while struggling to pay basic bills, gym/training fees, medical, etc.
 
The Athletic put out an article about a bunch of MMA fighters making some money off of Twitch.

theathletic.com

'Literally, it's saved my life': How the Twitch revolution is changing the business of MMA

Many MMA fighters have turned their second hobby — gaming — into their second source of income when they aren't fighting.
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Could you imagine having a player from any of the four major sports in North America going on Twitch and saying it allows him to pay his fucking bills?

If someone's in the UFC, they should be considered part of the elite of their sport and should be paid accordingly. Obviously, they shouldn't all make millions / fight, but fighters making $10k to show, $10k to win? To hell with that.
 
GGpX said:
The Athletic put out an article about a bunch of MMA fighters making some money off of Twitch.

theathletic.com

'Literally, it's saved my life': How the Twitch revolution is changing the business of MMA

Many MMA fighters have turned their second hobby — gaming — into their second source of income when they aren't fighting.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

Could you imagine having a player from any of the four major sports in North America going on Twitch and saying it allows him to pay his fucking bills?

If someone's in the UFC, they should be considered part of the elite of their sport and should be paid accordingly. Obviously, they shouldn't all make millions / fight, but fighters making $10k to show, $10k to win? To hell with that.
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Yeah, it's fucking disgusting.

A massive part of the problem is that Dana is trying to build a WWE style personal kingdom, and not a legitimate sporting league. He's way more interested in storylines and heat than he is in competition and I think that's a decision that makes sense in the short term but not in the long term. You'll draw more of the already interested eyeballs right now to any specific event, but you're creating an artificial barrier to entry into the sport for a lot of potential fans.

Dana is a half of a step away from hiring writers to generate storylines ffs.
 
Kevin Holland hype train:

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DC saying he’s coming to the Kabib camp to learn to wrestle. Prob will take 18-24 months for Holland to be able to show those skills to supplement his stand up - so yeh...pause on that hype train, but he’ll still be beginning his prime years with better wrestling skills.
 
Speaking of "learning how to wrestle": Francis is going to beat Stipe. The word is that adding Usman to his training camp team (almost a year now) has improved his wrestling a ton. With his weight/strength advantage, I don't think Stipe is going to be able to grind/maul him with wrestling this time. At least not until the 4th-5th rounds. I think he'll come in under way more control and won't punch himself out early like he did in the first go around.
 
As long as Francis is calm and doesn’t tire himself out trying to go for a knock out straight away - I have him winning this too. Patient Francis with grappling defense is a scary motherfucker.
 
For Francis's patience & improved wrestling, I'll believe it when I see it. His original MMA coach kicked him to the curb (I think it was after the first Miocic fight) because Francis wanted to train how he wanted.

He was wild & reckless in the Rozenstruik fight. He's just so strong and fast that it doesn't matter.
 
So, Miocic-Ngannou tonight. Who you got?

Miocic > Ngannou
Luque > Woodley
O'Malley > Almeida (But god do I wish I'm wrong)
Maverick > Robertson
Worthy > Mullarkey (I'm just guessing)
 
Think the smaller cage will actually help Francis, giving Steve less space to get away from that power. Also Steve being 10 lbs lighter than b4, not sure how that will impact him if he’s trying to do the same game plan as before on grappling him too death to wear him out.

I hope Francis wins and think he can win tonight. Would give it a 55% chance of that happening.
 
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