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Rumors: 2024-25 Season

Sal_Butera said:
Dvorak (50% retained) + Savard + Harris / Barron + 2025 1st top-10 protected for Pinto + Joseph
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Also, the reason Ottawa's trying to trade Joseph is so that they can make space for Pinto. If they're trading Joseph, they keep Pinto (and vice versa).

Always worth mentioning, but we have a ton of capspace due to Price & Dach on LTIR. It's a very powerful tool to acquire picks/prospects and to help speed up the process...
 
He had different role than in Mississauga. He took the crucial draws and played the big boy minutes when the game was on the line. Without him, they don’t win the OHL championship.

And he scored a hattie in the last game.
 
Nah, Beck didn't regress. This is just who he is.

That's not to say he's a bad player, he's not. But this notion that he has some untapped offensive potential was never anything more than pie in the sky.
 
GGpX said:
Nah, Beck didn't regress. This is just who he is.

That's not to say he's a bad player, he's not. But this notion that he has some untapped offensive potential was never anything more than pie in the sky.
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That is probably more accurate
 
I've maintained from the moment we drafted Owen Beck, his description sounds exactly like what we have in Jake Evans: A good, useful fourth line center. Which is why I hated the pick. It's a completely wasted pick because nobody in their right mind would trade an early second round pick for a fourth line center.

Players like Lars Eller are available quite literally every single summer.
 
GGpX said:
Nah, Beck didn't regress. This is just who he is.

That's not to say he's a bad player, he's not. But this notion that he has some untapped offensive potential was never anything more than pie in the sky.
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Sure. When I say “progress”, I mean he’s meeting expectations to become a reliable pro.
 
Too early and too easy to say “who cares about Beck. Jake Evans types are plentiful”

Habs scouts obviously felt he has more upside
 
No, they're not in the same catergory.

Struble and Norlinder aren't NHLers beyond the odd call up here & there, Owen Beck probably will be in the NHL.

Meager difference, but still
 
CH1 said:
Too early and too easy to say “who cares about Beck. Jake Evans types are plentiful”

Habs scouts obviously felt he has more upside
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Do they, though?

From directly after the draft:

Rob Ramage:
“Complete player,” Ramage said last week when asked about Beck during the Canadiens’ development camp in Brossard. “Very smart, reliable, consistent. His coaches love him. He’s a coach’s dream. He’s a leader. Very, very serious, conscientious. This guy’s going to play.”

Martin Lapointe:
“Owen Beck is a 200-foot player,” Martin Lapointe, the Canadiens co-director of amateur scouting, along with Nick Bobrov, said after the draft. “Plays the right way. He’s a student of the game. He’s a good student at school. He does good things on the ice. He’s got A’s at school, he does A things on the ice and it reflects on his play. Everything is detail-oriented. He’s been the best faceoff guy in the OHL. Competes, can skate, can make plays, supports his defencemen really well. He’s below the puck all the time. He just plays the right way.”

Does anything they said make you believe they believe he has higher upside?
 
GGpX said:
No, they're not in the same catergory.

Struble and Norlinder aren't NHLers beyond the odd call up here & there, Owen Beck probably will be in the NHL.

Meager difference, but still
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It’s in the category of brushing prospect players off quickly.

I get it though, statistical chances are not there.
 
22/23 year old prospects who can't crack one of the worst rosters in the league can be written off. It would be one thing if they were blocked on a contending team filled with veterans, but they're not. Xhekaj came to last year's training camp and passed in front of Norlinder and hasn't looked back. Trudeau has probably since passed Norlinder on the depth chart long-term. Struble has since joined the organization. Engstrom's going to be in Laval next year.

Players have a very short period of time to prove themselves because the new batch of prospects come every season. Norlinder's run out of time to prove himself. Struble's got a very short time to prove himself as well.

I don't hate the players, contrary to what some might think. But there's a finite amount of places and the players don't have all the time in the world to make it.

It's also much easier for forwards because there's 12 slots as opposed to 6 for d-men. But even with forwards, it took all of two minutes for Joshua Roy to pass every forward prospect in the AHL. Jan Mysak's old news; he's been passed by five prospects that weren't in the AHL 12 months ago. Roy, Heineman, Kidney, Davidson & Farrell.

It's not fair, but that's pro sports.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I hear you and you’re not wrong, but I’ve seen enough late bloomers and flops that I don’t try to make predictions anymore. Just let it play out and sort itself.
 
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GGpX said:
22/23 year old prospects who can't crack one of the worst rosters in the league can be written off. It would be one thing if they were blocked on a contending team filled with veterans, but they're not. Xhekaj came to last year's training camp and passed in front of Norlinder and hasn't looked back. Trudeau has probably since passed Norlinder on the depth chart long-term. Struble has since joined the organization. Engstrom's going to be in Laval next year.

Players have a very short period of time to prove themselves because the new batch of prospects come every season. Norlinder's run out of time to prove himself. Struble's got a very short time to prove himself as well.

I don't hate the players, contrary to what some might think. But there's a finite amount of places and the players don't have all the time in the world to make it.

It's also much easier for forwards because there's 12 slots as opposed to 6 for d-men. But even with forwards, it took all of two minutes for Joshua Roy to pass every forward prospect in the AHL. Jan Mysak's old news; he's been passed by five prospects that weren't in the AHL 12 months ago. Roy, Heineman, Kidney, Davidson & Farrell.

It's not fair, but that's pro sports.
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Yet MSL couldn’t crack Cgy or TBay in 1998-2000
 
For every Martin St. Louis, I can find you a hundred Corey Locke, Ben Maxwell, Brock Trotter types.

There are exceptions to every rule. But hoping for players to be exceptions is like buying a lottery ticket & hoping that's how you'll pay your mortgage.
 
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