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Rumors: 2024-25 Season

GGpX said:
For every Martin St. Louis, I can find you a hundred Corey Locke, Ben Maxwell, Brock Trotter types.

There are exceptions to every rule. But hoping for players to be exceptions is like buying a lottery ticket & hoping that's how you'll pay your mortgage.
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But you’re not a scout or a GM, there is no point in you trying to predict a prospect career.
 
GrandWazoo said:
Don’t get me wrong, I hear you and you’re not wrong, but I’ve seen enough late bloomers and flops that I don’t try to make predictions anymore. Just let it play out and sort itself.
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I generally agree, but part of what annoys me is the unrealistic expectations people place on prospects and then shit on them afterwards. I've been guilty of this a bunch of times.

For example: Justin Barron. I don't think he's great, or that he's a terrible player. He's a player I liked at the draft and was very happy we got him in the Lehkonen trade, but there's always risk. He's another one of those players who needs to demonstrate he's an NHLer soon with Mailloux & Reinbacher kipping at his ankles for his roster spot soon.
 
GrandWazoo said:
But you’re not a scout or a GM, there is no point in you trying to predict a prospect career.
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Yeah, but so what? This is a hockey forum. What's the point of discussing anything anyway, since we don't have any power in the matter?

Discussion and banter is fun, even if it amounts to nothing.
 
GGpX said:
Yeah, but so what? This is a hockey forum. What's the point of discussing anything anyway, since we don't have any power in the matter?

Discussion and banter is fun, even if it amounts to nothing.
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You’re absolutely right, but you don’t need to take an hard stance on those things. Prospects are so unpredictable, to an extent. 😂
 
GGpX said:
But hoping for players to be exceptions is like buying a lottery ticket & hoping that's how you'll pay your mortgage.
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At least 95% of the draft is one giant lottery.

The generic 200 ft player scouting report you mentioned doesn’t really determine the outcome. It could yield Jake Evans, Anthony Cirelli, Ryan O Reilly, or a career AHLer.

Zoom out far enough and there’s not much difference in those guys. But the game is won on the margins and quite a bit of luck is involved
 
GGpX said:
For every Martin St. Louis, I can find you a hundred Corey Locke, Ben Maxwell, Brock Trotter types.

There are exceptions to every rule. But hoping for players to be exceptions is like buying a lottery ticket & hoping that's how you'll pay your mortgage.
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Shit. Is that not a good strategy?
 
lecoqsportif said:
He had different role than in Mississauga. He took the crucial draws and played the big boy minutes when the game was on the line. Without him, they don’t win the OHL championship.

And he scored a hattie in the last game.
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Beck was Carbo on that team
 
GGpX said:
I've maintained from the moment we drafted Owen Beck, his description sounds exactly like what we have in Jake Evans: A good, useful fourth line center. Which is why I hated the pick. It's a completely wasted pick because nobody in their right mind would trade an early second round pick for a fourth line center.

Players like Lars Eller are available quite literally every single summer.
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When the deadline hits teams give up seconds for role players like Beck
 
GGpX said:
Do they, though?

From directly after the draft:

Rob Ramage:
“Complete player,” Ramage said last week when asked about Beck during the Canadiens’ development camp in Brossard. “Very smart, reliable, consistent. His coaches love him. He’s a coach’s dream. He’s a leader. Very, very serious, conscientious. This guy’s going to play.”

Martin Lapointe:
“Owen Beck is a 200-foot player,” Martin Lapointe, the Canadiens co-director of amateur scouting, along with Nick Bobrov, said after the draft. “Plays the right way. He’s a student of the game. He’s a good student at school. He does good things on the ice. He’s got A’s at school, he does A things on the ice and it reflects on his play. Everything is detail-oriented. He’s been the best faceoff guy in the OHL. Competes, can skate, can make plays, supports his defencemen really well. He’s below the puck all the time. He just plays the right way.”

Does anything they said make you believe they believe he has higher upside?
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Coaches are far too enamored with so-called "200 foot players". It's just a euphemism for "he has no offensive ability" so in reality such players are not "200 foot players" they are merely "125 foot players" who become completely useless as soon as they cross an opponent's blue line.

Do you think anyone in Chicago cares whether or not Connor Bedard can backcheck? As long as he's a great "75 foot player" from the blue line to the opponent's goal line, he'll be just fine. Just once I'd like to see any coach, GM or scout employed by the Habs to tell the fans that what they need to start caring about are players who can score goals on a consistent basis. Fuck these 200 foot slugs. You can get those in the 5th round or the waiver wire.
 
GGpX said:
I generally agree, but part of what annoys me is the unrealistic expectations people place on prospects and then shit on them afterwards. I've been guilty of this a bunch of times.

For example: Justin Barron. I don't think he's great, or that he's a terrible player. He's a player I liked at the draft and was very happy we got him in the Lehkonen trade, but there's always risk. He's another one of those players who needs to demonstrate he's an NHLer soon with Mailloux & Reinbacher kipping at his ankles for his roster spot soon.
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Meh, Barron needn't worry. All he has to do is hang around and wait for Mailloux, Reinbacher or Guhle to inevitably get injured.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Coaches are far too enamored with so-called "200 foot players". It's just a euphemism for "he has no offensive ability" so in reality such players are not "200 foot players" they are merely "125 foot players" who become completely useless as soon as they cross an opponent's blue line.

Do you think anyone in Chicago cares whether or not Connor Bedard can backcheck? As long as he's a great "75 foot player" from the blue line to the opponent's goal line, he'll be just fine. Just once I'd like to see any coach, GM or scout employed by the Habs to tell the fans that what they need to start caring about are players who can score goals on a consistent basis. Fuck these 200 foot slugs. You can get those in the 5th round or the waiver wire.
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Not now in the brand new toy phase & winning not expected.

McDavid & Draisaitl are taking on a lot more pot shots about not leading the charge by being more defensively aware, same with the Make Beliefs Fab-4
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Coaches are far too enamored with so-called "200 foot players". It's just a euphemism for "he has no offensive ability" so in reality such players are not "200 foot players" they are merely "125 foot players" who become completely useless as soon as they cross an opponent's blue line.

Do you think anyone in Chicago cares whether or not Connor Bedard can backcheck? As long as he's a great "75 foot player" from the blue line to the opponent's goal line, he'll be just fine. Just once I'd like to see any coach, GM or scout employed by the Habs to tell the fans that what they need to start caring about are players who can score goals on a consistent basis. Fuck these 200 foot slugs. You can get those in the 5th round or the waiver wire.
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not the robot knows what the defensive zone is
 
GGpX said:
I've maintained from the moment we drafted Owen Beck, his description sounds exactly like what we have in Jake Evans: A good, useful fourth line center. Which is why I hated the pick. It's a completely wasted pick because nobody in their right mind would trade an early second round pick for a fourth line center.

Players like Lars Eller are available quite literally every single summer.
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didn't we get TWO 2nd round draft picks for Lars ..
 
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