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The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread

GEEMAN said:
No one is underpaid . You ink term and big money to get financial security and ride the possible bad years

Willy got 18 mil in 10 months , did he give back any money for his lousy year last year ?

Is Benn prepared to give back 1/2 his salary in Dallas cause that's all he is worth now ?

If you want to know what your worth sign 1 year deals and hope you don't get hurt and take your chances
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okay?
 
Pasternak got rooked into the "can't make more than the Captain" tactic, and he signed on after a 70pt season. Nothing Willy or the Leafs can do about it.
 
blkngldbabe said:
stats nerds, I have someone telling me how Nylander is still not worth his contract and points to Pastas 6.6mil as a guide. Signed one year apart, much different usage until Keefe came along.... This all started by me saying you can't fill a hand with players as good as Willie signed for under 7M a year who produce like him. What can I show them?
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Here is a list of everyone who has signed a contract recently for "Willy Money". This is all of course before we deal with things like age (there are some names in here that are signed well into their decline years), and contract length (there's a couple bridge deals), and heaven forbid the advanced mathematics involved in using cap% rather than raw salary (Pasta's cap% is 8.89%, Willy's is 8.76%...Willy did get "less" than Pasta)

K Connor: .96ppg
Point: .94ppg
Laine: .92ppg
Nylander: .91ppg
MaxPac: .89ppg
M Tkachuk: .81ppg
Gaudreau: .77ppg
E Kane: .70ppg
K Hayes: .60ppg
A Lee: .58ppg
JVR: .57ppg
Pavelski: .42ppg


A few takeaways:

- Pasta's contract isn't "recent" imo. He's in the back half of the 3rd year of it now. I'm not including it here, it's one of the best value contracts in the league and almost everyone else's contract looks overpaid in comparison.
- Kyle Connor's contract is great for Winnipeg. Just for the sake of argument, if Keefe Willy is the real Willy, he's fucking shit up to the tune of 1.03ppg
- The only other two comparable, young star players are both on bridge deals. They are going to get paid like a motherfucker in 1 more year (Laine) and 2 more years (B Point). Tkachuk is probably a step down from that group in quality, his 30+ goals last season looks to be a product of Gaudreau having a career year, and high SH%. In fairness, Willy's SH% is a little elevate this season too, but I don't see why the higher quality shots he's taking this season wouldn't lead to an improvement from his usual 10.5-11% mark. 12-13% seems doable and would slot him in as a perennial 30 goal threat. Even if we wanted to argue that Tkachuk is the same calibre, Tkachuk is also on a bridge deal for 2 more years at 7m...he's also going to get paid.
- Nothing that makes it to UFA status and gets paid 7m is worth it....or is it? I mean, if GM's all around the league are willing to pay .5-.7ppg veteran forwards ~7m a year well into their 30's, how much is 7m really worth around the league in 2020?
 
blkngldbabe said:
stats nerds, I have someone telling me how Nylander is still not worth his contract and points to Pastas 6.6mil as a guide. Signed one year apart, much different usage until Keefe came along.... This all started by me saying you can't fill a hand with players as good as Willie signed for under 7M a year who produce like him. What can I show them?
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Use Clayton Keller as a guide next time.
 
Hilarious after 1 loss what happens in this city. I was listening this morning and the Leafs just need to blow it up and start over.
 
GEEMAN said:
Keller signed 8 years and bought 3 full years of UFA with only 10 mil in bonus money

Big difference with a comparable
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In fairness that contract would have been ripped apart if Dubas signed it (Especially him coming off a 47 point season) I'm simply speaking of the perception of that being a great contract because of what team signed him.
 
Problem is you have guys like Colaiacovo and Stewart pandering to the that side of the fanbase and they take it as gospel and run with it because "they played the game"

Guys like Dubas will always be looked down on by these guys because of it and they think hockey is some sort of anomaly where stats can't be quantified
 
JackBurton said:
In fairness that contract would have been ripped apart if Dubas signed it. I'm simply speaking of the perception of taht being a great contract because of what team signed him.
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The contract was fine , the BS crap with the holdout was embarrassing and nonsense

His number was around 7 , give it to him and not have this drag into December in a game of chicken
 
GEEMAN said:
The contract was fine , the BS crap with the holdout was embarrassing and nonsense

His number was around 7 , give it to him and not have this drag into December in a game of chicken
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your post is embarassing and nonsense. they ended up at 6.9. how can that be if his number was 7?
 
JackBurton said:
Willy wanted the Draisaitl deal.
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Upwards of $8M was the number the media tossed around at the time, for sure. Though I don't know how much we can really trust the reporting, since in a stark contrast to Mitch's camp, Willy and his people kept their lips tightly sealed from start to finish during the negotiations.
 
LeafGm said:
Upwards of $8M was the number the media tossed around at the time, for sure. Though I don't know how much we can really trust the reporting, since in a stark contrast to Mitch's camp, Willy and his people kept their lips tightly sealed from start to finish during the negotiations.
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Dubas did make a sarcastic remark about if he wanted that deal (The deal he signed) in the summer it would have been done.
 
Willy's ELC numbers were definitely the most comparable to 2 RFAs in particular - Draisaitl and Aho - both who got $8.5.
 
Crazy season, everyone is playing up to expectations. We just don't have a freaking.........I guess everyone has an Achilles heel. Say what you want about Leapin Lou, but the guy seemed to understand goaltending was pretty big.
 
Mike Johnson once again killing the "normal" narrative on leafs lunch and andi is getting visibly upset with him. This guy needs a bigger role
 
with Keefe and Rielly
23 gp, 2.19 xGA/60 (10th) 53.17 CA/60 (10th)

w/o Rielly
7 gp, 2.42 xGA/60 (21st), 55.22 CA/60 (15th)
 
trujaysfan said:
Mike Johnson once again killing the "normal" narrative on leafs lunch and andi is getting visibly upset with him. This guy needs a bigger role
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Andi is a moron. I'm all for getting more females in broadcasting, but they always pick the wrong ones. Shilton is terrible as well.
The best women broadcasters have crew cuts and wear lumberjack shirts. They won't get hired I guess.
 
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