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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Preston said:
He stands out for his cap management and his ability to find value and rebuild the D corps by adding 2 legit top pair guys over the years in Brodie and Muzzin at VALUE contracts. Those are two major things so I can't say he was bad, but I also can't say I'd applaud him for anything else. He had a lot of flaws, made a lot of small errors that added up and held on to mediocre players with decently high AAVs like Kerf and even targeted similar players like Jarn. His lack of execution on a proper build of the depth was the most frustrating bit for me.
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He was also a dumbass for keeping Muzzin instead of trading him in the offseason. It played out exactly like I said, and I promise, I can't actually see the future.

The McCann move was also so fucking stupid. I keep blaming Keefe for not playing Lilly and Sandin, but I have to believe at this point that Dubie was complicit in those decisions. Otherwise, he'd have ditched Holl, knowing we were set with the kids, and kept a great top six scorer that he basically got for free. But he lost him, kept Holl, and Holl just basically watched every goal against from Florida with a front row seat.

Trading for Murray was one thing, but not getting full retention and the 1st that other teams would always get from us in such a situation was fucking dumb and everyone here knew that one from the start. Mrazek wasn't much better, and we had to pay a 1st out, even if with no retention.

Trading Sandin and Engvall for nothing on the cusp of our most important playoffs.

Lots of stupid, non-earthshaking moves, which added up to be major fuck ups if you just made the obvious low-risk play.
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, I was part of the "can't trust that guy" brigade despite my deep affection for him and I was initially bullish on the trade (partially because of how much of a tire fire the right side of our blueline was...fuck me it was bad back then).

But they're supposed to have access to better data that us and in the end, be smarter than us though.
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…and even tho I wanted to keep him, I 100% understand anyone who wanted him gone….can also understand if management felt things were so loud around him they just had to move on. (Honestly, if the board flat out said it had to happen….I can’t even really blame them, as much as I disliked it).

The optics of it happening a third time would be so insanely brutal, I can understand just wanting to remove the potential risk…..like imagine we made a ECF or something with him, and it happened again 💀

…plus I think they had to factor in how (imo) unfairly harsh Kadri was treated by DOPS and you’d have to factor for them to have a potential hair trigger on anything remotely close going forward.


…..but regardless. It fucking sucks massively we lost him, and wasted time with Barrie that should have been Brodie.
 
Montana said:
…and even tho I wanted to keep him, I 100% understand anyone who wanted him gone….can also understand if management felt things were so loud around him they just had to move on. (Honestly, if the board flat out said it had to happen….I can’t even really blame them, as much as I disliked it).

The optics of it happening a third time would be so insanely brutal, I can understand just wanting to remove the potential risk…..like imagine we made a ECF or something with him, and it happened again 💀

…plus I think they had to factor in how (imo) unfairly harsh Kadri was treated by DOPS judged Kadri, and you’d have to factor for them to have a potential hair trigger on anything remotely close going forward.


…..but regardless. It fucking sucks massively we lost him, and wasted time with Barrie that should have been Brodie.
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I think that's where the mistake ended up being imo. If you target Brodie and Kadri blocks the deal, fine. But settling for a weaker alternative who didn't really solve the problem you were looking at Brodie to be the solution for, turned out to be the killer. It's one thing to make a trade where you're addressing a need with a high quality player, but another entirely to miss on that (for whatever reason) and then just say fuck it, we're trading him anyway, let's get this done and take whatever we can get.

Again, a move that in a vacuum that didn't look so bad. But when compounded with other moves builds a pretty clear pattern of meh to bad deal making.
 
Preston said:
Some even call it... the STEAL city
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MindzEye said:
I think that's where the mistake ended up being imo. If you target Brodie and Kadri blocks the deal, fine. But settling for a weaker alternative who didn't really solve the problem you were looking at Brodie to be the solution for, turned out to be the killer. It's one thing to make a trade where you're addressing a need with a high quality player, but another entirely to miss on that (for whatever reason) and then just say fuck it, we're trading him anyway, let's get this done and take whatever we can get.

Again, a move that in a vacuum that didn't look so bad. But when compounded with other moves builds a pretty clear pattern of meh to bad deal making.
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yeah even if he came here and produced like in Col or Edmonton it doesn’t suck quite as bad…but him sucking right out of the gates, was particularly painful.
 
I guess the more fun question is - what are the top-5 Dubas moves?

1. Brodie signing
2. Bunting signing
3. Muzzin trade
4. O'Reilly trade
5. Giordano trade

Does that look right?

Not sure any of those qualify as home runs.
 
Montana said:
yeah even if he came here and produced like in Col or Edmonton it doesn’t suck quite as bad…but him sucking right out of the gates, was particularly painful.
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Part of that was Babcock's fuckery. But again, that's part of the GM's job. You think about bringing in a guy who is a defensively questionable puck mover and you know the coach you're currently stuck with (because huge long term money) is probably going to fucking hate him.....it's gotta make you think twice, right?
 
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