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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Not to say there’s nobody we’d want to give term to….but if we come away from Free Agency without Treliving handing out any long term deals, it’s probably a great sign.
 
zeke said:
I think we kinda know what the cost will be.

--> $4.7m hit for 2yrs cost Ottawa a 3rd and a 7th to dump on us
--> $3.8m hit for 2yrs cost us 13 spots in the draft to dump on chicago (probably worth something like a 3rd and a 7th too).


$4.7m for 1yrs should cost us less than that do ditch on someone.
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Yeah plus Murray is also better then mrazek but we literally don’t have any picks this year to get that done unless rd 1 is in play.
 
Bringing back ROR and Accari would be my move depending on cost. You either sign an Accari or you rent one at the deadline... so you may as well sign him.

Getting rid of murray will be a task but Mayne dubas takes him back to pittsburgh
 
sounds good, but the Leafs core doesn't play like that and they aren't going to change, especially with the same coach in place.

Treliving is going to have to construct a near-completely different roster around them.
 
MindzEye said:
I mean....that was always the best idea going forward anyway. The rest of the forward roster was a grim shitshow.
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To put it mildly.

Need like 2-3 capable guys to play on the third line who aren't necessarily third liners, guys who could move up to the 2nd line and not really miss a beat.

None of Kampf, Acciari, Kerf, ZAR, or Lafferty came close to fitting that bill. Jarny does, but again, preferably stays on the third line for the most part, and ROR is even a major question mark for me. Can't have that many guys who are incapable of producing any regular offense stuffed on the bottom lines.
 
Funny enough, Coleman is a perfect (but expensive) example.

Mikky was great.

If Engvall is willing to come back on a reasonable deal, he should be resigned.
 
And I saw clips of the Dubie presser just now. Two things.

He really comes off as having a big head now, very arrogant, overconfident.

Next, I don't really get why he'd want to graduate to a president role. I'd think a GM wants to continue GMing for as long as he can, since being the trigger man on the decisions that form the team is the ultimate high. And if you haven't even come close to success in the position yet (one series win EVER), you'd want to press on and do your thing and win some cups. Do you really want to supervise someone else who gets to be the guy? I understand at like 50-60 years old, having won some Cups as GM, then stepping aside and taking on a higher position, but now? Very weird, seems to indicate a lack of that competitive spirit that I noted I saw in Treviling earlier. Dubie is sort of a passionless money-grubber from the looks of things, and that public meltdown in the box was likely more about wanting to win to solidify his bargaining position for more dough.
 
In a lot of organizations, the President is really the GM. Title creep has been a pretty significant thing in sports for a while now.

Its actually weird for a titled GM to have as much decision making latitude as Dubas had here. Bobby Webster doesn't for the raptors and neither does Atkins for the Jays.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
And I saw clips of the Dubie presser just now. Two things.

He really comes off as having a big head now, very arrogant, overconfident.

Next, I don't really get why he'd want to graduate to a president role. I'd think a GM wants to continue GMing for as long as he can, since being the trigger man on the decisions that form the team is the ultimate high. And if you haven't even come close to success in the position yet (one series win EVER), you'd want to press on and do your thing and win some cups. Do you really want to supervise someone else who gets to be the guy? I understand at like 50-60 years old, having won some Cups as GM, then stepping aside and taking on a higher position, but now? Very weird, seems to indicate a lack of that competitive spirit that I noted I saw in Treviling earlier. Dubie is sort of a passionless money-grubber from the looks of things, and that public meltdown in the box was likely more about wanting to win to solidify his bargaining position for more dough.
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Presidents make more money, take way less heat and make decisions behind the scenes as opposed to being labled with them.
 
MindzEye said:
In a lot of organizations, the President is really the GM. Title creep has been a pretty significant thing in sports for a while now.

Its actually weird for a titled GM to have as much decision making latitude as Dubas had here. Bobby Webster doesn't for the raptors and neither does Atkins for the Jays.
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Yeah in these cases they are just parts of the team and do more press work.
 
zeke said:
tbh it's fricken hilarious how the twitter mood has changed thanks to the duelling press conference today.
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today pleasantly surprised me with the number of boxes that got checked off…

- neither Dubas or Shanny are lying pieces of shit. ✅
- Shanahan bucked (my) expectations and fully backed The Process™️. ✅
- Treliving intimated he likes what Kyle did, and wants to continue on with it. ✅
- Implied he’ll keep much of the staff. (if he can) ✅
- Is open to keeping Keefe. ✅ (skeptical Tre hires someone better)
- Kyle’s family is happy. Leo won’t grow up in a broken home. ✅
- my boy got a promotion, and got paid. 👑 ✅
- Treliving was only 16% Adam Gase. ✅
- He didn’t convey any kind of interest in big moves to make the team his. ✅
- Dubas music hit and he returned as Leafs President!!! ❌


 
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