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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

zeke said:
the key was that rare window where Matthews/Marner/Willy were on ELCs.

that window where PIT and CHI won their first cups, because their GMs used that space on studs.
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CHI for the most part, nailed it with the cup chasing vets in Handzus, Oduya and B Richards. All still had gas in the tank.
 
zeke said:
the key was that rare window where Matthews/Marner/Willy were on ELCs.

that window where PIT and CHI won their first cups, because their GMs used that space on studs.
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Well sure, their first three years in the league, I guess you could've "gone for it" and started trading off all the 1sts and/or adding vet UFAs, but at the time it felt premature and the wrong way to build. I don't recall any of us advocating they go all in the first couple of years. It would've felt like repeating mistakes of the past.

Looking back now, with our first series win after a gazillion years, yeah, I'd have dealt everything and taken our shot those years rather than the slow build and see 1sts wasted on Marleau, Muzz, Mrazek, Foligno, ROR, and (sigh) a late Boston 1st.
 
Montana said:
It is kinda funny how Dubas landing Tavares is often brushed aside by fans, Iike it’s too obvious or easy a move to make….when the NHL’s Pat Reilly, had just failed to get the other Toronto superstar to come here in near identical circumstances.
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100%. It's being discussed here as arguably one of Dubie's worst UFA signings...when it was by far his best.

For him to come here and provide the production out of the 2C spot that he has, consistently over the first 5 years of the deal, and no reason not to believe for the final two years of the deal too, makes him one of the best UFA signings ever for the franchise. If the team had been more successful with the moves outside the core 4, and we'd won a couple of cups, nobody would be looking at it negatively. But it's not Tavares' fault that we haven't built the right supporting cast around them.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
If the team had been more successful with the moves outside the core 4, and we'd won a couple of cups, nobody would be looking at it negatively.
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Ya when I’m feeling really negative about the team or a particular player I just say to myself “but would I feel so negative if we’d won a couple cups?” And often I must admit, I don’t think I would. And then I feel so stupid.
 
Absolutely. Because when you win, everything is worth it, including adding a star player who produced his ass off over the life of his deal (imagine that!).

And when you lose, you look to scapegoat.
 
Montana said:
I sincerely apologize for being rude, but…




…you got handed a dogshit brain.
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Can it be that your team has not won a Cup in so long that you've forgotten their reason for playing in the first place?

Outcomes matter. If they didn't, Dubas wouldn't have been fired. Anyone who thinks that a process is more important than winning doesn't belong in professional sports.
 
Montana said:
^this is how you arrive at bad conclusions by not weighing context, or applying any critical thinking.

Washington pretty legitimately beat us 4-2

Bruins beat us in 7 [up 4-3 heading into the third]

Bruins beat us in 7 [down 2-1 heading into the third]

Columbus beats us in 5 [unlucky to be in a 5 game series to start with, but have 5.18-1.49 xG in game 5 but lose 3-0]

Habs beat Leafs in 7 [Leafs lose 2 OT games to eliminate Habs, own xG in both…also lose Tavares game 1, on dirty hit]

Lightning beat Leafs in 7 [lose by a goal, after having a good goal wiped off the board]

Florida beats Leafs in 5 [Deserve to be up 3-1 after 4…but get goalie’d and lose series pretty legitimately as a result]



we lost 5 series deciding games (and two other chances to eliminate Habs) by a fucking whisker.

there’s no trend, no underlying cause for the bad luck (the xG was there the majority of the time)…..we just continually lost coin flip one goal games that decided series. It’s going to happen. Just sucks donkey D’s it was to us.
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You're basically using fancy stats to rationalize "bad juju". If it happens once you can blame bad luck. When it happens 5 years running, your team is fatally flawed and you need to start ripping up the floorboards. A GM can't expect to remain employed by merely tinkering with the bottom six every year. Not with results like that.

There may be more nerds in front offices today but the NHL is still the NHL. You win or you go home. You produce results or you're fired.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
comes from a you are what your record is generation.
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Fans don't give a shit about anything else. You either hang a banner or your team is shit. Sure, there's a "process" but if, after 5 years with the same pieces your results don't change then your process is shit along with your team. At that point things must change. Expecting the same players and process to magically produce better results in Year 6 than it did in Years 1-5 is idiotic.
 
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