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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Preston said:
Tre's job was to trade down as soon as their player got drafted by Nashville. If you want to call that a failure, sure. We can say that. But Wes picks the players.
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Who said failure? I said reach. And it is.

And the head scouts usually make the picks. It's also their heads when they screw up.
 
Artnes said:
Despite his production, if Cristall's skating is as bad as the scouts say, they made the right call not taking him
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they said the same thing about Point though. And Cristall scored more.

could be a bust, but you can’t get a Poiht without trying to get a Point.
 
I’d imagine Clark follows Dubas to Pittsburgh eventually no? Seems likely he was one of the guys Kyle was talking about getting permission for.

But Treliving coming in at the 11th hour kinda has no choice but to trust the scouting staff that’s here that late in the first IMO.
 
leafman101 said:
they said the same thing about Point though. And Cristall scored more.

could be a bust, but you can’t get a Poiht without trying to get a Point.
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Brayden Point is a player who seemingly has it all, except for one thing, size. At 5’9″ 160 lbs, major questions exist if he will be able to endure the rigours of professional hockey. While he can’t do much about that height, he really will need to bulk up to make his NHL dream into a reality.

Point is a very good skater. He has good top end speed, very good acceleration and a quick first step. His agility and edgework are both very good, and his balance and strength on the puck is surprising for a player his size. He skates with a low centre of gravity and is very tough to take off the puck when he has it, and he can be gritty and win board battles due to this good balance. He plays bigger than his size as a result, throwing hits and being gritty in all three zones.

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Artnes said:
Who didnt they take I am supposed to be mad about.
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Well according to my own draft list (granted for fantasy hockey purposes), there were a bunch of boom/bust or project players available at this pick (Gulyayev (D), Cristall (LW), Brindley (C), Nadeau (LW), Gauthier (RW), Dragicevic (D), Heidt (C)) most are undersized, and/or are considered liabilities defensively.

Excellent picks for these teams that already picked in the front-end of the first round, and can take a swing in the 2nd.

Sounds like the Leafs were looking for a more projectable player given their lack of picks in this draft.
 
hockeylover said:
I’d imagine Clark follows Dubas to Pittsburgh eventually no? Seems likely he was one of the guys Kyle was talking about getting permission for.

But Treliving coming in at the 11th hour kinda has no choice but to trust the scouting staff that’s here that late in the first IMO.
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And Hughes was given no choice on Michkov. Ownership nixed it but Hughes still had his input.
 
Habsy said:
And Hughes was given no choice on Michkov. Ownership nixed it but Hughes still had his input.
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We’re talking about the top of the draft of a lottery team vs really late first for a contender though, it’s not like Treliving’s actually seen most of these guys enough? He has no choice but to rely on his scouting staff.,
 
So we are already building up the narrative that: if it ends up being a good draft "it was Tre's first draft" and if it is a bad draft then it was "still a dubas draft"
 
hockeylover said:
We’re talking about the top of the draft of a lottery team vs really late first for a contender though, it’s not like Treliving’s actually seen most of these guys enough? He has no choice but to rely on his scouting staff.,
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I'm not arguing that. Even next year he won't be the one doing the scouting. Once again arguing something not being said.

Let me try to rephrase this:

Cowen is a typical Calgary type leap
Shanny brought in who? Treliving from Calgary
So if Treliving had zero say then Shanny did. This was not left up to Clark, Clark presents his list and the team decided on Cowen.

So yes, Tre, Shanny etc all had to give the nod for it to happen, Clark didn't make the pick unilaterally.
 
Tre literally wasn’t allowed to participate in the process until Calgary picked. He wasn’t involved in building their list at all.
 
trujaysfan said:
So we are already building up the narrative that: if it ends up being a good draft "it was Tre's first draft" and if it is a bad draft then it was "still a dubas draft"
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It's neither no matter what happens. It's a Wes Clark draft. They told us that already. There is no "figuring it out." We know.

Tre gets final say on whether to keep the pick or trade down. Or trade up if necessary. That's it. They told us this verbatim. There is no conspiracy theory here.
 
trujaysfan said:
So we are already building up the narrative that: if it ends up being a good draft "it was Tre's first draft" and if it is a bad draft then it was "still a dubas draft"
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Wes Clark is running the draft because we have a GM who’s only been here three weeks. It’s not a narrative, it’s just what’s happening. And yes, Wes Clark should be credited if it works.
 
leafman101 said:
Tre literally wasn’t allowed to participate in the process until Calgary picked. He wasn’t involved in building their list at all.
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Still had to give the nod or he comes off as a Shanny puppet.

Also, they don't follow rules. See Pittsburgh.
 
I can imagine the conversation went like this. Wes, who was second on your board now that Molendyk is gone and we cant trade back? Cowan? Ok sounds good
 
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