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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Habsy said:
Still had to give the nod or he comes off as a Shanny puppet.

Also, they don't follow rules. See Pittsburgh.
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Sticking to the list is the right call though. GMs shouldn't do anything else at the draft table. I would be way more concerned if that happened, so I can't criticize him for that.
 
leafman101 said:
Sticking to the list is the right call though. GMs shouldn't do anything else at the draft table. I would be way more concerned if that happened, so I can't criticize him for that.
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It's the list itself that'll get questioned in three years. He may pan out sure but the percentages aren't great.

Then again how many 28th picks have become impact players? Low percentage there too.
 
Agreed. That was Dubas though. He prioritized hockey IQ and competitiveness above anything else.

In Calgary Tre took a lot of high end skill guys with red flags. (Coronato, Zary, Poirier, Pellitier, Fox, Kylington)
 
Artnes said:
I can imagine the conversation went like this. Wes, who was second on your board now that Molendyk is gone and we cant trade back? Cowan? Ok sounds good
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I think so too after a trade wasn't consummated. Still needed the sign off, they always do.
 
Wes Clark and team selected the player and Treliving and Shanny said okay, we trust you. Nothing to do with Calgary. It’s the same priority list Wes Clark listed the last two years for Knies and Minten. High IQ, super competitive.
 
I'm still pissed we grabbed a GM from shit Calgary. And it seems they didn't even look to many people. We hired a GM like we were running a Tim Horton's.
 
leafman101 said:
Agreed. That was Dubas though. He prioritized hockey IQ and competitiveness above anything else.

In Calgary Tre took a lot of high end skill guys with red flags. (Coronato, Zary, Poirier, Pellitier, Fox, Kylington)
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Funny you mentioned that because the next crop on most lists are either below average hockey IQ rated or small. Cowen may have more upside for what they are looking for, they drafted for need.
 
Habsy said:
It's the list itself that'll get questioned in three years. He may pan out sure but the percentages aren't great.

Then again how many 28th picks have become impact players? Low percentage there too.
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Corey Perry and Nick Foligno were picked at 28...
 
hockeylover said:
Wes Clark and team selected the player and Treliving and Shanny said okay, we trust you. Nothing to do with Calgary. It’s the same priority list Wes Clark listed the last two years for Knies and Minten. High IQ, super competitive.
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It's a Calgary type pick though. The way Calgary likes to play a heavier game.

When Shanny chose Tre it signaled they think alike in hockey. Tre built Calgary. Not a leap to think Shanny prefers that style.
 
And in fairness to Dubas/Clark, Sandin and Knies look like good picks. Robertson is a maybe. Just Minten looks like a useless zero skill 4th liner.

So they are good at what they do. I would just like to take the swing on guys with elite skill and production like Hutson, Cristall, Gulyayev etc.
 
leafman101 said:
And in fairness to Dubas/Clark, Sandin and Knies look like good picks. Robertson is a maybe. Just Minten looks like a useless zero skill 4th liner.

So they are good at what they do. I would just like to take the swing on guys with elite skill and production like Hutson, Cristall, Gulyayev etc.
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I might be alone on this but I think Minten might end up being good. I mean not top end good but better than useless 4th liner.
 
To be fair, while they seem to have targeted low upside guys they really liked in Minten and Cowan with their top picks, they seem to have gone all in on risky upside with the rest of their picks - Moldenhauer, Hildeby, Grebenkin, Lisowsky, Voit, Peksa.
 
Volcanologist said:
Nicklas Lidstrom outside the top 50 picks was pretty damn good too
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Luc Robitaille in round 9 was pretty good too. As were Brett Hull, Doug Gilmour, Pavel Datsyuk, and Tomas Kaberle.

Sadly, the Leafs took future hall of famer Luca Cereda in the first round instead of Zetterberg...
 
i heard some analysts talking about how the Hunters (who run the London Knights) are notorious for playing the shit out of their "vets", and rooks have to start at the bottom and work their way up the lineup.

Cowan was a London Knight. In a way, this is a potential market inefficiency. It's hard to put up numbers if you're playing 8 minutes on the 4th line for 1/4 of the season. It sounds like Cowan did exactly what you want, which is to earn more ice-time and better assignments as the year goes on.

I assume the 1st/2nd half regular season splits would show this. We can see that he scored 53 points in 68 regular season games, but scored at a PPG clip in the playoffs when the games are more intense (21 points in 20 games).

And he didn't turn 18 until a month ago (May 20). There is scoring upside here.
 
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