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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Its funny, because the rumour was the Leafs brought in the Canadian Tire CEO to the meeting and their pitch was how much money Stammer would make here. And that turned him off.

Clearly players aren't always motivated by making the most money.
 
Volcanologist said:
that's not true. every single guy who signed a 1 year deal and then cashed in afterward, instead of signing a lower amount just to get term, would be an example.
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every single guy who signed a 1yr deal was portrayed as someone who was unable to sign a longer term deal. It was never considered a preference.
 
At least short term deals are a way of sharing some of the downside risk with the player. The Leafs signed Marner with the idea that the cap always goes up and his deal wouldn’t look like such an outlier in later years. 4 years later he’s still the 9th highest paid player in the league and the only players that have passed him (or even come close really) were all UFA signings.

Now that we know how that worked out, maybe Marner should take on some of the risk this time. If that’s fewer years, then A) fine, and B) it has to be lower AAV. No more giving into every possible demand to keep one guy (and his dad) happy. It’s bad for the team IMO.
 
leafman101 said:
Its funny, because the rumour was the Leafs brought in the Canadian Tire CEO to the meeting and their pitch was how much money Stammer would make here. And that turned him off.

Clearly players aren't always motivated by making the most money.
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That story, if true seemed quite awkward. I think Dubas did do a great job with getting JT.
 
JackBurton said:
You can get better deals if your players get off to slow starts in their careers. Leafs players were so good while NOT getting the minutes others get from year 1.
I still have to deal with seeing how Brad Marchand took a disccount. Jesus.
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He didn’t take a discount, the contract was a big risk at the time, he’d only just broken out as something of a star when he signed.
 
Marchand signed a $6.15 x8 extension 1yr before his previous contract expired, when he was 28yrs old, coming off of his first 60pt season (61pts). He had 42pts the previous year, and 53pts the year before that. The Bruins had missed the playoffs 2yrs in a row at that point. And while he had a nice 60pt pace in his first playoffs in that cup run 6yrs prior, he was at a 40pt pace in the 3 subsequent playoffs - and again, the bruins had missed the playoffs the last 2yrs.

Of course, as soon as he signed that deal in september, he went out and scored 85pts in that 28yr old season, making that extension a bargain before it even started the following year. And then when the extension kicked in at age 29, he scored at a 100+pt pace the next 4yrs before falling all the way down to a 90+ pt pace in year 5 and 75pt pace in year 6.
 
zeke said:
Marchand signed a $6.15 x8 extension 1yr before his previous contract expired, when he was 28yrs old, coming off of his first 60pt season (61pts). He had 42pts the previous year, and 53pts the year before that. The Bruins had missed the playoffs 2yrs in a row at that point. And while he had a nice 60pt pace in his first playoffs in that cup run 6yrs prior, he was at a 40pt pace in the 3 subsequent playoffs - and again, the bruins had missed the playoffs the last 2yrs.

Of course, as soon as he signed that deal in september, he went out and scored 85pts in that 28yr old season, making that extension a bargain before it even started the following year. And then when the extension kicked in at age 29, he scored at a 100+pt pace the next 4yrs before falling all the way down to a 90+ pt pace in year 5 and 75pt pace in year 6.
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And now he couldn't even score on a breakaway in the dying seconds of regulation to eliminate Florida in game 5, and look what happened after.

Bum.
 
People forget how little Stamkos had to do with TB's cups. he missed literally the entire first cup run. For the 2nd cup he was just a 60-65pt pace winger that was a defensive liability and leeched most of his points off the PP.
 
In all probability, Tavares would not have signed, and Marner/Mathews would have signed for less based upon Stamkos contract.
 
zeke said:
Marchand signed a $6.15 x8 extension 1yr before his previous contract expired, when he was 28yrs old, coming off of his first 60pt season (61pts). He had 42pts the previous year, and 53pts the year before that. The Bruins had missed the playoffs 2yrs in a row at that point. And while he had a nice 60pt pace in his first playoffs in that cup run 6yrs prior, he was at a 40pt pace in the 3 subsequent playoffs - and again, the bruins had missed the playoffs the last 2yrs.

Of course, as soon as he signed that deal in september, he went out and scored 85pts in that 28yr old season, making that extension a bargain before it even started the following year. And then when the extension kicked in at age 29, he scored at a 100+pt pace the next 4yrs before falling all the way down to a 90+ pt pace in year 5 and 75pt pace in year 6.
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TL DR: nobody was more surprised by Marchand's elite future than Marchand himself
 
the thing about Marner is that - sure - they paid him $1m too much, but after signing he went and established himself as a top 10 player and worth his cap hit.

and it’s not like an extra milly would have done anything to help out the team over the top.
 
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