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The Motherfucking 2021 Playoffs Thread

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CH1 said:
the Price bet is that he's been good in playoffs

.936 in 10 games last year
.933 in 6 games in his prior playoff stint
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Last year

Fred .936 (2-3)
Price .936 (5-5)

Career

Fred .916 (27-23)
Price .917 (30-36)
 
zeke said:
Last year

Fred .936 (2-3)
Price .936 (5-5)

Career

Fred .916 (27-23)
Price .917 (30-36)
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So, it was never Fred's fault!!!

Too bad, he's probably not playing this year.
 
Anyway, I was simply trying to explain the arguments a certain writer was making. it shouldn't be required on my part but you guys seemingly have a hard time reading any media takes without rage in your eyes.
 
CH1 said:
Anyway, I was simply trying to explain the arguments a certain writer was making. it shouldn't be required on my part but you guys seemingly have a hard time reading any media takes without rage in your eyes.
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"Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect."

No rage whatsoever, simply disagreed - not like we haven't heard the better depth thing from the talking heads all year long.
 
hockeylover said:
"Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect."

No rage whatsoever, simply disagreed - not like we haven't heard the better depth thing from the talking heads all year long.
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Honestly (and I'm the last guy who wants to defend hockey media -- IT'S AWFUL) but the "better depth" argument was almost allows about approach (rolling 4 lines about equally) than talent.

As horribles as the media is...I didn't hear anyone argue Jake Evans > Spezza and that difference makes up for Matthews >>> Danault.
 
hockeylover said:



"Use the depth up front to its fullest​

The Leafs lean heavily on their top guys up front. I would too. But one way to counter that is to ensure that your guys are fresher than their guys, and then to use that energy to your advantage. This is how the Canadiens were built, and this is how Ducharme wants the Canadiens to play."

Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect.
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Breaking down his strategies for the Habs to beat the Leafs:


1) Have Weber & Chiarot take advantage of the fact the rule book is enforced even less than usual in the playoffs and cross-check the fuck out of Matthews & Marner, and have Edmontonson & Anderson do the same to Tavares & Nylander.

Well, yeah, sure. Counting on being able to do anything short of murder to the Leafs stars in the playoffs and not get called for it is always a sound strategy. If that's the way they want to go, Foligno, Hyman, Simmonds, Thornton, Muzzin & Bogosian (if he plays) are all large humans that can play that kind of game to varying degrees too.

2) Have Carey Price miraculously transform back into Jesus Price.

For this to be a real difference-maker, they need Campbell to play considerably less well than he has in the regular season. Or they need the Leafs to turn to Freddie Andersen.

And the chances seem slim that Jesus Price will return again.

3) Play at a "higher pace" than the Leafs because they roll their lines pretty evenly.

We haven't really seen any indication that the guys on our top two lines are dragging their asses towards the end of the game because they're playing first line minutes. And if one of those lines isn't going as well or is wearing down, you can lean harder on the other one.

Plus...I like our third or fourth lines way better than theirs, and going by this theory our third and fourth lines should be able to play at an even higher pace because they'll be playing less than Montreal's third and fourth lines?

4) Give the top-4 on D most of the ice-time, because the third pair sucks.

Ok, that doesn't seem good.

5) Brendan Gallagher has magic leaderbeans, since the Habs were 17-9-9 with him and 7-12-1 without him.

Gallagher's a good player, no doubt. But I'd bet the coaching change and Jake Allen's horrible April & May had more to do with the change in the team's fortunes than Brendan Gallagher's absence did.
 
CH1 said:
Honestly (and I'm the last guy who wants to defend hockey media -- IT'S AWFUL) but the "better depth" argument was almost allows about approach (rolling 4 lines about equally) than talent.

As horribles as the media is...I didn't hear anyone argue Jake Evans > Spezza and that difference makes up for Matthews >>> Danault.
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A bunch of 'em definitely argued the Habs were better than the Leafs because of better depth, better defense, and Price when you guys looked good to start the season.
 
I think recent cup winners have all had top end talent on the top two lines backed up by solid bottom 6. Matthews, Marner, etc have all performed up to par and better this season and there is so much character on the 3rd and 4th lines with Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds, Foligno and hopefully Nash.

Defence is stronger too. Biggest question mark is the goaltending. I don't have much faith in Andersen and I'm worried Campbell can struggle with all the added pressure.
 
runninglow said:
I see it as this: the Habs do have decent forward depth. They have 2 solid 2nd lines and 2 solid 3rd lines. I don't mind the media playing it up because the depth is there for a playoff team.

However, the Leafs also have depth with one of the top lines in the league, a second line that rivals many first lines, and 2 solid and responsible third lines. That's the depth needed for a contender.
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Think my first time responding to you lol

The issue will be…

1) special teams can neutralize our top line power with depth
2) We could still play Fred to take our advantage in depth

Good news for #1 is refs don’t call penalties on either of our teams for some reason + natural playoff hockey where refs to and let the players play.

#2 is my fear
 
LeafGm said:
Breaking down his strategies for the Habs to beat the Leafs:


1) Have Weber & Chiarot take advantage of the fact the rule book is enforced even less than usual in the playoffs and cross-check the **** out of Matthews & Marner, and have Edmontonson & Anderson do the same to Tavares & Nylander.

Well, yeah, sure. Counting on being able to do anything short of murder to the Leafs stars in the playoffs and not get called for it is always a sound strategy. If that's the way they want to go, Foligno, Hyman, Simmonds, Thornton, Muzzin & Bogosian (if he plays) are all large humans that can play that kind of game to varying degrees too.

2) Have Carey Price miraculously transform back into Jesus Price.

For this to be a real difference-maker, they need Campbell to play considerably less well than he has in the regular season. Or they need the Leafs to turn to Freddie Andersen.

And the chances seem slim that Jesus Price will return again.

3) Play at a "higher pace" than the Leafs because they roll their lines pretty evenly.

We haven't really seen any indication that the guys on our top two lines are dragging their asses towards the end of the game because they're playing first line minutes. And if one of those lines isn't going as well or is wearing down, you can lean harder on the other one.

Plus...I like our third or fourth lines way better than theirs, and going by this theory our third and fourth lines should be able to play at an even higher pace because they'll be playing less than Montreal's third and fourth lines?

4) Give the top-4 on D most of the ice-time, because the third pair sucks.

Ok, that doesn't seem good.

5) Brendan Gallagher has magic leaderbeans, since the Habs were 17-9-9 with him and 7-12-1 without him.

Gallagher's a good player, no doubt. But I'd bet the coaching change and Jake Allen's horrible April & May had more to do with the change in the team's fortunes than Brendan Gallagher's absence did.
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What "Depth" exists on the habs compared to the Leafs? Media is still saying this?
 
leafman101 said:
Honestly, I am not sure that either Rittch or Andersen has played better than Hutch.
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This is a big issue. We really shouldn't have Freddy be backup. He's the worst of the 4 goalies we have. Campbell has a history of injuries. I like the Leafs trading KHL talent to help them out when they aren't playing, but this organization has been far too nice to Fred. Enough. I can't wait till he's gone. Just a big distraction.

And he really has to end the delusional post game comments about how great he is and how good he feels. It's sad.
 
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