TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

[Wayward DP]

Agreed. I wouldn't even be too upset if we ended up retaining 1 million per to get a deal done and take someone else's money to get the deal done.


I think we're way more likely to move Holl and keep Muzzin, then shuffle Sandin onto Gio/Rielly's right side

Rielly-Lilly/Sandin
Muzzin-Brodie
Gio-Lilly/Sandin

As for Kerfoot, I don't think he's a dump at all. He'll get us back something decent.


Agreed. I'd much rather see us go with:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-XXXXXX (~1.5)
Steeves/Douglas/Abruzesse/Anderson/XXXXXX (~3M total)

Rielly-Lilly
Muzzin-Brodie
Gio-Sandin
XXXXXX

Which would come in around 74 million, and spend the rest in net. Evaluate our cheap in-house options and then go shopping at the deadline for what we need. We have a bunch of these 22-24 yr old fringe guys that are either going to look like NHL players or not, let's find out. Our depth doesn't have to be dialed in by November, it needs to be dialed in by April-May.

If we need to retain on Mraz may as well just buy him out.

 

[Wayward DP]

If Gibson was a UFA what would he get on a 5 year contract? And what would you pay him if you're the Leafs? 3.5? 4m if lucky maybe? In that case, ask the Ducks to retain 2.4m and give them a middling asset or 2 if that's the direction you want to take.

I would be interested in Gibson if we pay less than $4m on the cap.

 

[MindzEye]

If we need to retain on Mraz may as well just buy him out.

Retaining 1 million per for 2 yrs is better than a 4 yr buyout at 1.033/.833/1.43/1.43

 

[MindzEye]

Of course they are. 5 x 30 m incoming.

Maybe not that loony. But I could see them going 4-4.5x4 or something. Go Jack-Smith this season (upgrade over Smith-Koskinen) and then Jack-Skinner after that.

"Fixing" your goaltending is relative to your current situation. Edmonton's situation this year was junk. They got fortunate with a late season Smith heater.

 

[MindzEye]

I would be interested in Gibson if we pay less than $4m on the cap.

Yeah, that's about the number I was figuring. 2.4 million retained. He's worth the gamble at 4 million imo and that leaves salary cap room to have a Plan B to hedge the gamble.

 

[Wayward DP]

If they do see Kahkonen as their goalie of the future and do pay his RFA rate (probably 3.5+), I'm not against picking up Reimer for nothing as our 1B/Backup. He's still entirely functional, and is signed for cheap next season.

I have been on the Reim train for a while.

 

[Wayward DP]

The risk with Holtby is, which Holtby do you get? He was fucking terrible for the 2 seasons previous to last year and was good, just good as a pure backup last season. That's another guy (like Gibson) that I think you need to understand why he was bad before you can consider trusting him as part of your solution. Tough to bet 2-3 million dollars and 2-3 years on him and that's what he'll likely cost.

Big no thanks to Holtby from me.

 

[Wayward DP]

Retaining 1 million per for 2 yrs is better than a 4 yr buyout at 1.033/.833/1.43/1.43

Not if you’re also sending out assets while still retaining dead money on the cap. I’ll do one but not both...

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Not if you’re also sending out assets while still retaining dead money on the cap. I’ll do one but not both...

i think you need to be more flexible in terms of overpaying to solve this issue.

 

[MindzEye]

I have been on the Reim train for a while.

He's a solid enough backup option and San Jose will probably retain for cheap too if we asked for it.

 

[MindzEye]

Not if you’re also sending out assets while still retaining dead money on the cap. I’ll do one but not both...

Mrazek at 2 x 2.8 shouldn't require us sending additional assets. Probably gets us as 4th or some shit back.

 

[MindzEye]

Big no thanks to Holtby from me.

Yeah, there are better options imo. I even take a run at the Eric Comrie's of the world before I consider Holtby.

 

[LeafGm]

I have been on the Reim train for a while.

I’d be Ok with that. Price & term is right, and he’s been a consistently solid platoon/backup guy since leaving Toronto.

As long as he’s very clearly the 1B to another better goalie that we bring in to tandem up with him. And no Jonathan Bernier, plz.

 

[Wayward DP]

Mrazek at 2 x 2.8 shouldn't require us sending additional assets. Probably gets us as 4th or some shit back.

like I said, either retain/buy out or pay someone assets to take him, just not both!

 

[MindzEye]

Yeah, I think my ideal is some combination of 1A with experience and pedigree. Varly, Gibson, Kuemper, etc

and then a backup that falls into one of two catergories. Experienced and relatively consistent 1B (Reimer, DeSmith) or risky and inexperienced with some maybe potential and good recent numbers backup who can potentially be a 1A if we're fortunate (Kahkonen, Comrie, Stolarz, etc).

 

[Wayward DP]

I'm getting kinda horny over a Gibson-Reimer combo...

I think I'm still a Gibson believer. But of course stay the hell away - far, far away - unless Anaheim retains a bunch.

 

[Habsy]

I'm getting kinda horny over a Gibson-Reimer combo...

I think I'm still a Gibson believer. But of course stay the hell away - far, far away - unless Anaheim retains a bunch.

Can't you just like watch regular porn like the rest of mankind?

 

[MindzEye]

Can't you just like watch regular porn like the rest of mankind?

Hey, don't judge. This is a non judgement zone other than bad food takes...then judge away

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Can't you just like watch regular porn like the rest of mankind?

Regular porn? treat your dick better dude.

That's like taking the wife to Burger King every tuesday with a coupon for the entire marriage.

 

[Habsy]

Oh. You're married are you?