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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

There's variables on both sides of the equation to inflate or deflate asking prices though. Kane's NMC really can't be overlooked. Neither can the necessary retention for anyone to add him.
 
CH1 said:
yet you still stubbornly cling to dated arguments about value
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I cling to what history shows me. Hossa and Kovalchuk are on Kane's level and really the only two examples in the last 15 years. Their returns were not what even close to your example. Until I see it, I'm gonna bet against it.
 
Hossa's value in 08 > Kane's in 2022

Dude was a 29 yr old elite 2 way winger that finished 10th in Hart voting a few months before he was traded.
 
Preston said:
I fought the CH1 battle with zeke before. Mind was changed; he showed me, I dug deep for more examples and came up empty. You rarely, if ever, see 2 1sts+ a B prospect/stuff go for any rental throughout NHL history. Only way it makes sense is if you value Robertson as a 2nd rounder as opposed to mid-1st. Not quite sure I do though.

Kane is a different level of elite and maybe 2022/2023 is a different story and prices reach new heights, but I'm gonna bet against it till I see it.
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and when is the last time Nick has played anything close to a full season...if ever
 
Preston said:
I cling to what history shows me. Hossa and Kovalchuk are on Kane's level and really the only two examples in the last 15 years. Their returns were not what even close to your example. Until I see it, I'm gonna bet against it.
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you're overrating Robertson...that's understandable
 
CH1 said:
By all means, I'm all for keeping your window open as long as possible, but you also have to make sure you do everything you can to jump through it at least once...otherwise what's the point?
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where the right balance lies... I defer to the doobieman
 
Preston said:
Yeah not saying it isn't possible. But it isn't as black or white as it is for basketball, for example. 1 year of a stud vs full control and 3-5+ years of a good 1st liner is never gonna be a lock.

But as you say you also have to know/understand what you have in Robertson. Statistically he compares very favorably to a lot of studs currently in the league. But hwat are the odds he becomes that first liner? I don't know. It's not an easy decision.
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fundamentally our biggest problem with the forwards was our second line.

so as long as we find a solution that greatly improves it, I don't care what it is. it could be Robby being ready to contribute. It could be acquiring a guy like Kane or someone else.

but that should be the priority. our top line was one of the best in hockey.
 
Wayward DP said:
fundamentally our biggest problem with the forwards was our second line.

so as long as we find a solution that greatly improves it, I don't care what it is. it could be Robby being ready to contribute. It could be acquiring a guy like Kane or someone else.

but that should be the priority. our top line was one of the best in hockey.
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Yeah, it's easily out biggest issue imo. For all the talk (and I'm as guilty as anyone) about JT maybe not being a centre going forward and JT-Willy not working...they worked really well whenever anyone other than Kerfoot was on that left wing.
 
CH1 said:
you're overrating Robertson...that's understandable
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Even if true, he's objectively a better prospect than anything Atlanta received for Kovalchuk or Hossa. I am prone to underrating him though, until I actually look at his numbers and compare him to others around the league. An A prospect + a 1st + a B prospect for a rental at the deadline I don't think has ever happened. There's a first for everything I guess.. I'm just betting against it.
 
Preston said:
Even if true, he's objectively a better prospect than anything Atlanta received for Kovalchuk or Hossa. I am prone to underrating him though, until I actually look at his numbers and compare him to others around the league. An A prospect + a 1st + a B prospect for a rental at the deadline I don't think has ever happened. There's a first for everything I guess.. I'm just betting against it.
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Like I said, deadline prices have gone up. (see what it cost to get Nick Foligno)
 
CH1 said:
hard to say without knowing how many destinations Kane is willing to accept...but assuming Mindz guess of 8 is in the ballpark, the bidding war will be steep. Some of those 7 other GMs aren't going to be as measured as the ForumIce intelligentsia...so Knies + Robertson + 1st (or B prospect) + salary flip seems like a good starting point
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I don't see much of a market or bidding war developing, but I have been wrong before. We shall see.
 
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