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Trade Deadline Thread

ThinIce said:
Meanwhile, the Carolina Hurricanes GM Don Waddell says.....
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It has to be the right deal, there's just not many of those out there I guess.

I'd bet he's working up something in GMDW fashion that might surprise and impress us in a good way. Even if betting's not legal here yet.

Jim
 
The Canes were being lumped in with multiple other playoff bound suiters for Jake Guentzel. I don't at all see the Canes realistically trading away assets to rent Jake Guentzel for a playoff run, but maybe this is the deadline where we do something out of character. Again though Guentzel doesn't play center which is where we probably need help the most at the forward position. We would also need to NOT include a top 6 forward in such a trade or it ends up really doing little to improve our roster.

Guentzel-Aho-Svechnikov
Turbo-Drury-Necas
Martinook-Staal-Jarvis
Noesen-KK-Bunting

Fast, Lemieux, Comtois

Swap Turbo and Bunting as desired.

That lineup, in theory, should offer the Canes advantages all over the ice against most teams. Even more so if somehow KK would get it going, which it doesn't look like is going to happen.

But forget about it, we are not going to outbid some of these other teams for Guentzel.
 
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ThinIce said:
Meanwhile, the Carolina Hurricanes GM Don Waddell says.....
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Presuming Tarasenko still doesn't want to play here, I'm not sure what you want him to have said thus far. Henrique is the only guy who has moved that would have been any kind of realistic fit here
 
cmaleski2 said:
I don't at all see the Canes realistically trading away assets to rent Jake Guentzel for a playoff run, but maybe this is the deadline where we do something out of character.
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If GMDW ever were to make such a move wouldn’t it be this year or next considering the number of expiring contracts we have coming up and how different the roster will look at the end of next season?
 
bagopux said:
If GMDW ever were to make such a move wouldn’t it be this year or next considering the number of expiring contracts we have coming up and how different the roster will look at the end of next season?
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Right. This year or next at least seem like the prime time to go all in. I'm not sure you do it without being a bit more optimistic about the goaltending though. If you sell the farm to get a couple of months of Guentzel and then the goaltending doesn't hold up then you've really screwed up down the road. But the general idea with that Dundon has been doing is that you smooth out those obvious windows with smarter, more disciplined contract management. Which kind of cuts that all in mentality off at the knees. Maybe one year he green lights a big swing ... who knows? He's certainly not risk averse.

And hey. Look around the league. How many times does the full court press at the deadline work anyway? When Vegas finally got their Cup it was in a year when they rode a 3rd string goalie and didn't really make a blockbuster trade for once. Barbashev was a nice deal for them, but that was hardly what you'd call shoving all your chips into the pot. Everything else they did was out of necessity
 
I’m not advocating doing something big just for the sake of an arms race. Some teams seem to just want to pile up toys whether they make sense or not. But the team has weaknesses. How many 5 on 5 goals did we score against FL last year? I can count them on both hands with mittens on.

Even with another top winger are we better than FL or NYR? Maybe not. But we could win a series against either and would have a better chance at it.

And yes, there are plenty of examples of teams grabbing big talent and it getting them nowhere. So I’m torn on this. I like the sustained success the Canes are having and being sensible about trades and picks furthers that. But it would be nice to win a game in the CF once in a while. We’ve been swept the last three appearances. It’s getting old.
 
jeffbear said:
Right. This year or next at least seem like the prime time to go all in. I'm not sure you do it without being a bit more optimistic about the goaltending though. If you sell the farm to get a couple of months of Guentzel and then the goaltending doesn't hold up then you've really screwed up down the road. But the general idea with that Dundon has been doing is that you smooth out those obvious windows with smarter, more disciplined contract management. Which kind of cuts that all in mentality off at the knees. Maybe one year he green lights a big swing ... who knows? He's certainly not risk averse.

And hey. Look around the league. How many times does the full court press at the deadline work anyway? When Vegas finally got their Cup it was in a year when they rode a 3rd string goalie and didn't really make a blockbuster trade for once. Barbashev was a nice deal for them, but that was hardly what you'd call shoving all your chips into the pot. Everything else they did was out of necessity
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Yes, but that Vegas team was much better than this hurricanes team is currently. They could ride a mediocre goalie because they could score against anyone. Carolina does not have that kind of lineup. At some point they are going to have to actually improve at the deadline unless they’re happy flaming out in the playoffs year after year.
 
One thing to note ... Guentzel is as good a fit as you could want at the deadline, even if he is a rental. He's a play driver on the wing who plays with real aggression on top of just being a goal hound. If he shows up healthy and fired up, he'd be a great fit with either Aho's group or Drury's and free up a skilled player to slide down to further build up the strength of the depth. There were two guys like that available last year ... Konecny getting hurt and Meier going to NJ ... and Carolina was sniffing around both of them. I know fans are getting frustrated with the Canes missing out on these opportunities, but they've just been more disciplined than other teams on the payouts. Maybe Guentzel is the right guy to throw caution to the wind ... I dunno know. You could risk it on longer shots, though. He's legit.
 
Fayettenamcanesfan said:
Yes, but that Vegas team was much better than this hurricanes team is currently. They could ride a mediocre goalie because they could score against anyone. Carolina does not have that kind of lineup. At some point they are going to have to actually improve at the deadline unless they’re happy flaming out in the playoffs year after year.
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Disagree. Vegas looks awfully good in retrospect because it all resulted in a trophy, but they struggled to get traction all season last year before getting their crap together late. Locally we're seeing the Canes "struggle" but they've been in 2nd place in the Division basically all season even with terrible goaltending until fairly recently. It looks different because they have different styles, but it's really not all that different. There's nothing structurally wrong with this club and putting it together late in the season is 100% still on the table.
 
Caps send dman Joel Edmundson to Toronto for the Islanders 3rd rounder this year and Blackhawks 5th rounder in 2025. Caps retain 50% of the cap hit, which is effectively 25% because the Habs retained half when they traded him to the Caps.
 
cmaleski2 said:
The Canes were being lumped in with multiple other playoff bound suiters for Jake Guentzel. I don't at all see the Canes realistically trading away assets to rent Jake Guentzel for a playoff run, but maybe this is the deadline where we do something out of character. Again though Guentzel doesn't play center which is where we probably need help the most at the forward position. We would also need to NOT include a top 6 forward in such a trade or it ends up really doing little to improve our roster.

Guentzel-Aho-Svechnikov
Turbo-Drury-Necas
Martinook-Staal-Jarvis
Noesen-KK-Bunting

Fast, Lemieux, Comtois

Swap Turbo and Bunting as desired.

That lineup, in theory, should offer the Canes advantages all over the ice against most teams. Even more so if somehow KK would get it going, which it doesn't look like is going to happen.

But forget about it, we are not going to outbid some of these other teams for Guentzel.
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KK is looking more and more like a turd as time moves on and just does not seem to have much in the give-a-shit meter. Sad after what the Canes invested in the guy but more and more he just looks so damn average most nights. I agree CMal that the center position is probably where the Canes need help the most right now.
 
jeffbear said:
Edmundson is not the player he was a couple of years ago, but that's still a solid get for the Leafs.
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That’s a tidy bit of business for the Caps too. He only cost them a 5th, so they got a half a season out of him for a little more than the NHL minimum.
 
Eliotte Friedman says the Blackhawks are sending Anthony Beuvillier to Nashville for a pick.
 
jeffbear said:
Disagree. Vegas looks awfully good in retrospect because it all resulted in a trophy, but they struggled to get traction all season last year before getting their crap together late. Locally we're seeing the Canes "struggle" but they've been in 2nd place in the Division basically all season even with terrible goaltending until fairly recently. It looks different because they have different styles, but it's really not all that different. There's nothing structurally wrong with this club and putting it together late in the season is 100% still on the table.
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You keep believing brother. I’ll gladly eat crow if they do something in the playoffs, but I am firmly in the camp that they need to do something at the deadline. Something more than a warm body to stick in the bottom 6.
 
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