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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

worm said:
have shatkins made a good trade yet?

you would think they would fluke into one or two at least
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Nothing that moves the needle that's for sure. They've done a solid job stocking up the farm system through the draft and July 2 signings but best trade I can think of was when they sent Hutchison to Pitt for Liriano, McGuire and Harold Ramirez. Not pretty
 
Rosenthal:

Thus, barring a surprise, Diamondbacks lefty Robbie Ray and Rangers lefty Mike Minor now loom as the best non-Mets starters available. With Stroman going to a team not previously thought to be in the market, officials with both the Diamondbacks and Rangers believe the offers for their pitchers should only improve.
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One executive called the Blue Jays’ return of lefty Anthony Kay and righty Simeon Woods-Richardson for Stroman “incredibly light.” Another said, “It feels really odd to me that Toronto didn’t get a top-100 type at least and still did the deal with days to go.”

A third exec, however, had a different perspective, saying that no one should assume the Jays could have done better simply because teams such as the Braves, Yankees and Twins have better prospects. With buyers refusing to overpay, the Jays evidently felt the Mets’ offer was their best, and they did not want to lose it with the Mets active on so many other fronts.
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The Braves’ talks with the Blue Jays center around right-handed reliever Joe Biagini. All of the contenders, including the Red Sox, are in on Jays closer Ken Giles and many are pursuing Daniel Hudson as well.
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https://theathletic.com/1103459/201...be-buying-and-selling-braves-look-for-relief/
 
drewser said:
Rosenthal:
With buyers refusing to overpay, the Jays evidently felt the Mets’ offer was their best, and they did not want to lose it with the Mets active on so many other fronts.
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[video=youtube;KMf_4-doa2I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMf_4-doa2I[/video]
 
LeafOfFaith said:
That’s pretty funny actually. Stay, commotion. Leave, commotion.

I’m honestly not going to miss him that much. Just wish our return was better.
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To me, I don't even think it was that bad of an offer. It's just underwhelming, and with him putting up such a strong season, it definitely feels like there should have been a better offer out there.
 
Anyone heard of Ty Tice? Don't think I've heard the name before, but this is a pretty interesting story (16th round pick in 2017). If we trade a couple of relievers, we might see this guy called up.

https://theathletic.com/1100686/201...ting-shorter-that-hell-be-a-blue-jay-someday/

BUFFALO, N.Y. — Every year, the Blue Jays ask their minor-league players to list personal goals for the coming season. Ty Tice has tried to sneak a whimsical notion onto his list.

“I keep telling them I want to make it my priority goal — to keep growing,” Tice said with a smile.

A growth spurt seems unlikely. He just turned 23. He stands 5-foot-9, just as he did in college.

He might also be the best bullpen prospect you’ve never heard of.

Tice is a three-pitch, late-inning reliever, blissfully toiling in the tall grass outside the pasture populated by prime prospects. Size notwithstanding, he throws hard. When he turned pro in 2017, his fastball averaged about 93 mph. This year in Triple-A Buffalo, he’s averaging 95-96 mph, occasionally touching 98. He also throws a nasty slider and has resurrected a curveball he hadn’t used since college.

In the two years since the Jays drafted him, the small-town Arkansas native has scaled five minor-league levels, never looking back. His career ERA is 1.76 in 101 games.

Before the Jays promoted Tice from New Hampshire in mid-June, Bisons pitching coach Doug Mathis had not seen him pitch.

“I heard he was a little guy with a great arm,” Mathis said. “Now, I’d say he uses his body pretty much as well as anybody I’ve seen this year. That’s how he generates that velocity. If you were to break down his lower-body mechanics, it’s kind of what you want guys to be able to do.”

Here’s what Tice has been able to do while working at the top two rungs on the minor-league ladder this season:

1.45 ERA over 43 1/3 innings
45 strikeouts vs. 19 walks
0 homers allowed
1.1 WHIP

Tice might not be a name that prospect followers often mention. But each time the Jays call down to Buffalo to ask about candidates for promotion, Mathis said, “his name always comes up.”
 
I almost never bother looking at minor league relievers but when a kid reaches and does well in AAA as a 22yr old I notice, even if he's a reliever.

I've been keeping an eye on him since he was bumped up to AAA....right now there's a bit of a bump in his stats as his xfip indicates he may be getting some flyball luck but otherwise he's looks good.
 
Let's keep in mind that Bo didn't rake in AAA.

He had a 106wrc and only a .806ops this year in AAA, so he might struggle for a bit in the majors.
 
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CaptainBolduke said:
Let's keep in mind that Bo didn't rake in AAA.

He had a 106wrc and only a .806ops this year in AAA, so he might struggle for a bit in the majors.
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Yeah, Vlad I expected to come up and rake, but Bo I do expect he'll struggle a little. But with both him and Vlad, at this age, I'm more interested in how they play defensively - will they be good enough at SS/3B to compete with, or will we have to move them down the spectrum sooner rather than later?

It's only really next year or even the year after where the bats should really be coming alive. Look at a guy like Devers - took him a couple years, and now he's looking like a real legit hitter. And that still lines up with the rest of our guys - next year should be a learning year, where Vlad/Bo/Biggio/Gurriel/Jansen all have the full year together to refine their skills, and then 2021 is when they all have enough experience to put it together, are all cheap, and our other salary obligations are basically off the table, so we should hopefully be able to surround them with some other guys to help out.
 
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