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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

leafman101 said:
IMO the dumbest part of it is that no one makes decisions with that kind of risk calculation anywhere else in life. Every medication has side effects. The odds of dying in a car accident are 1 in 100, but everyone still gets into cars. Odds of dying of heart disease are 1 in 6 but every still eats garbage and doesn't work out.
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Risk analysis is difficult for people. Your example of 1 in 100 chance of death in a car accident is easy to misunderstand. Does it imply that everytime you get in a car you have a 1% chance of dying? No. Ok, then, so if I get in a car accident there is a 1% chance I get killed? Ok, that still seems shitty. But what are my chances of getting into the accident in the first place?

People aren't really equipped to figure this out on their own and then make a decision. Now throw Rogan at the problem and it really becomes a quagmire.
 
Too much overthinking that we don't do for anything else in life, as 101 said. This is what the experts are paid for. They're worth trusting and have way more knowledge than we can find in a google search. It's mostly people looking for reasons why it's unsafe and not worth the 0.0001% chance that you may have a mild and usually easily resolvable condition after taking it. Chances of long covid are far higher and they're slashed in half if you catch covid while vaccinated, so you get that on top of the protection vs infection. It's not even close to a debate!

We don't really do that risk analysis for anything else and maybe we should because a lot of what we do is far riskier than getting injected with under a ml of a liquid.
 
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Preston said:
Just yesterday she was on a video call with Mrs. Preston that she was struggling to breathe but was wondering if it was in her own head. She did not look or sound good by all accounts. It kinda escalated overnight and into the morning so her husband immediately called an ambulance. Haven't gotten an update since then.

So out of the 3 people I know who took vacations over the holidays, all 3 of them returned with covid. One had bad cold-like symptoms (the oldest one surprisingly), one has been on his ass for a week since testing positive and hasn't recovered yet, and the other is in the hospital.
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so....mild?
 
leafman101 said:
Sticks and stones, right. Physical injuries heal with time. Mental take some work.

Cyber bullying with kids, and social media use in general with kids, is a real problem I think. I don't think the nature of kids, or people in general, change simply because the interaction is online instead of in real life.

The world is just different now, and we are too old to understand it. But people live in the metaverse, not the "real" world.
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Ms. Wayward and I were watching a Netflix show about high school aged kids and I'd say about half the pop culture references / slang / lingo is totally lost on us. And we're not even that old...

And our younger clients have totally different social media presences than even folks my age...

The world has changed, really fucking quick. And yeah, we're old and out of touch.
 
SundinsTooth said:
Risk analysis is difficult for people. Your example of 1 in 100 chance of death in a car accident is easy to misunderstand. Does it imply that everytime you get in a car you have a 1% chance of dying? No. Ok, then, so if I get in a car accident there is a 1% chance I get killed? Ok, that still seems shitty. But what are my chances of getting into the accident in the first place?

People aren't really equipped to figure this out on their own and then make a decision. Now throw Rogan at the problem and it really becomes a quagmire.
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Yes, but IMO its not even a problem of misunderstanding. We don't care. A 1% chance of something happening is sounds like nothing, so who gives a fuck. If it were 50% like flying in a squirrel suit, or whatever that risk is, people start to think about it, but we don't care about such low risks on a day to day basis.

But now all of a sudden people really care about a 0.01% chance of something happening. It so clear that the fear stems from something other than the risk itself.
 
leafman101 said:
Yes, but IMO its not even a problem of misunderstanding. We don't care. A 1% chance of something happening is sounds like nothing, so who gives a fuck. If it were 50% like flying in a squirrel suit, or whatever that risk is, people start to think about it, but we don't care about such low risks on a day to day basis.

But now all of a sudden people really care about a 0.01% chance of something happening. It so clear that the fear stems from something other than the risk itself.
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People are really bad at estimating super unlikely events. Some of that gets compounded by the fact that the more rare an event is, the more likely it will get reported about. I remember going to a talk once (by a nuclear advocate, so obviously biased), and one of their points was the fact that anytime something goes wrong in a nuclear plant, it's front page news. But you don't hear about all the assorted fires or stuff from coal plants, for example. Or you hear about everyone who dies in a plane crash, but the multitude more who die from car crashes barely get glances.
 
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UWHabs said:
People are really bad at estimating super unlikely events. Some of that gets compounded by the fact that the more rare an event is, the more likely it will get reported about. I remember going to a talk once (by a nuclear advocate, so obviously biased), and one of their points was the fact that anytime something goes wrong in a nuclear plant, it's front page news. But you don't hear about all the assorted fires or stuff from coal plants, for example. Or you hear about everyone who dies in a plane crash, but the multitude more who die from car crashes barely get glances.
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Yeah, the media is likely the culprit here too.

Nuclear is a great example. Its the same thing. Its one of, if not the, safest and most effective form of energy but a progressive "green" country like Germany is shuttering all their plants. Its not because of the actual risk of an adverse event.
 
What's a sexier story?

Nearly 10 billion covid-19 vaccines have been administered globally with very few adverse events and millions of lives saved. It is one of the biggest accomplishments in modern medicine to produce a vaccine so quickly with the vaccine being one of the safest products in medicine (as they all are).

OR

Kid gets myocarditis a week after being injected with a vaccine made by Pfizer

Second one will get way more attention of course. And that's why folks are getting sucked into this weird narrative. That + people will always hunt for the fear mongering stories and push the narrative that they want to be pushed. But again, if you are really unsure we should be taking medical advice from the experts, not Joe Rogan or some random contrarian niche doctor that gets clicks by going off the wall.
 
The weird part though is the first one is a really great story. A once in 100 years pandemic hits and modern medicine achieves the unthinkable in developing a vaccine in 8 months. Well 4 vaccines actually.

Thats literal history, and one of our most impressive achievements, but they don't care.
 
Even Trump gets it! This could have and should have been so much worse and deadlier. Can you imagine if every single person on earth got infected completely immunonaive pre-vaccines? Can you imagine Delta pre-vaccines? Yeesh. Bloodbath is putting it mildly. Nerds >>>>>>>>>
 
Preston said:
What's a sexier story?

Nearly 10 billion covid-19 vaccines have been administered globally with very few adverse events and millions of lives saved. It is one of the biggest accomplishments in modern medicine to produce a vaccine so quickly with the vaccine being one of the safest products in medicine (as they all are).

OR

Kid gets myocarditis a week after being injected with a vaccine made by Pfizer

Second one will get way more attention of course. And that's why folks are getting sucked into this weird narrative. That + people will always hunt for the fear mongering stories and push the narrative that they want to be pushed. But again, if you are really unsure we should be taking medical advice from the experts, not Joe Rogan or some random contrarian niche doctor that gets clicks by going off the wall.
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Yeah, you also get the "Correction: Kid with myocarditis was unrelated to vaccine. Just happened to happen a week later" headline in much much smaller font than the initial headline too.
 
Preston said:
Even Trump gets it! This could have and should have been so much worse and deadlier. Can you imagine if every single person on earth got infected completely immunonaive pre-vaccines? Can you imagine Delta pre-vaccines? Yeesh. Bloodbath is putting it mildly. Nerds >>>>>>>>>
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Scenario modelling is fake newz!! But commie lizard people, cannibal sex freaks in pizzeria dungeons and zombie JFK Jr are real. The truth is out there, librul cuck!!!
 
Preston said:
Even Trump gets it! This could have and should have been so much worse and deadlier. Can you imagine if every single person on earth got infected completely immunonaive pre-vaccines? Can you imagine Delta pre-vaccines? Yeesh. Bloodbath is putting it mildly. Nerds >>>>>>>>>
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Great president, or greatest president?
 
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