Paulie Walnuts
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I would think for that kind of job anyone would shave off facial hair.
2020 Offseason Miscellaneous Thread
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Paulie Walnuts
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guy gets 10 years in prison for ripping off former NHL players
Former race car driver sentenced to 10 years in prison for stealing from NHL players, others
A former race car driver was sentenced to 10 years in prison for stealing millions from NHL players, Suffolk County police officers and other investors through bogus transactions.
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Paulie Walnuts
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NHL looking at Dec 22 start. Probably Great White North teams will stay up there. There might be some hubs and also some home games. As before I assume Canes won't be a hub due to lack of local rinks. The idea now is 10 days in a hub per team. Also regional matchups so Canes would likely be in division with Wash, Philly,NY, Tampa, Florida maybe Nashville. Means less travel .
At a minimum, they’ll have to have a Canadian hub. Until the border reopens, they won’t allow teams in for short stays, which is why the Toronto Blue Jays had to play in Buffalo.
Canada is having a little spike too, 3 straight days over 4,000 cases, half of them in Quebec and Ontario. But the country still has fewer cases than North Carolina, although a much higher number of deaths.
Yup, and I don't see any way the US/Canada border is open before the end of the year. And I find a December start date for the NHL camps fairly unreasonable to begin with. I don't think they've even met with the NHLPA to discuss terms and conditions yet and that's less than 6 weeks from now. Europe is starting to re-institute restrictions and we have no idea what International travel is going to look like in December. We'll see, but I have my doubts.
I think the 12/22 date is the NBA. Bettman changed the original target of 12/2 start to 1/1 in October. The first ESPN article below says the league will have a call tomorrow to update the owners about talks with the NHLPA, but the target date remains 1/1. But the 2nd, filed by Whyshynski and Kaplan, says the league hadn't had a negotiating session with the Return to Play committee as of 10/30.
What does this mean? Who knows. But at this point, even a 1/1 start may be optimistic.
Bettman: NHL is mulling temporary realignment
As the NHL plots out its upcoming season, commissioner Gary Bettman said Tuesday that temporary realignment and another hub model could be in play.
NHL 2020-21 season plans: Latest on format, timeline and challenges
When will the season start? Will it be a full 82 games? Will there be daily COVID-19 testing? Bubbles? We answer those questions and many more.
A. That's what I get for taking Paulie at face valueI think the 12/22 date is the NBA. Bettman changed the original target of 12/2 start to 1/1 in October. The first ESPN article below says the league will have a call tomorrow to update the owners about talks with the NHLPA, but the target date remains 1/1. But the 2nd, filed by Whyshynski and Kaplan, says the league hadn't had a negotiating session with the Return to Play committee as of 10/30.
What does this mean? Who knows. But at this point, even a 1/1 start may be optimistic.
Bettman: NHL is mulling temporary realignment
As the NHL plots out its upcoming season, commissioner Gary Bettman said Tuesday that temporary realignment and another hub model could be in play.www.espn.com
NHL 2020-21 season plans: Latest on format, timeline and challenges
When will the season start? Will it be a full 82 games? Will there be daily COVID-19 testing? Bubbles? We answer those questions and many more.
2. I saw something earlier today indicating that the NHL Governors are expecting an update on the schedule from the league as soon as tomorrow. Still nothing about communication with the PA, so that hasn't changed. If they are serious about that early January start date, then you could extrapolate the date for camps opening back into December ... so NBA or not, the clock is ticking. Loudly.
D. No one expects the league to waive a magic wand and come up with a bulletproof plan right out of he gate, so the reluctance to issue any substantive information this close to the only dates they've actually talked about publicly is a bit troubling to me. Meh. Troubling is probably pushing it. It makes me less confident in that January start date. Put it that way.
A note on politics ...
1. This is the NHL Offseason Misc Thread. Anything remotely political should be directed at the Grab Bag thread where there's a litte more leeway given. That way those who wish to ignore or avoid such topics can easily do so without missing anything about the goings on in the NHL this offseason.
2. We've veered off course a bit with topics that are only loosely connected to the NHL, so I'll do a better job in future of shifting those posts to the correct threads.
1. This is the NHL Offseason Misc Thread. Anything remotely political should be directed at the Grab Bag thread where there's a litte more leeway given. That way those who wish to ignore or avoid such topics can easily do so without missing anything about the goings on in the NHL this offseason.
2. We've veered off course a bit with topics that are only loosely connected to the NHL, so I'll do a better job in future of shifting those posts to the correct threads.
Better yet, there is a OT - American Politics thread elsewhere on the Leafs board, linked below. There are 156,500 posts and 7,825 pages, going back to August, 2011. Having moderated a politics board at one of our old places, I have no interest in doing it again. I’m pretty sure both Jeff and Brassbonanza feel the same way.
OT: American Politics
As requested by Jays, I won't be updating the news thread with anything directly related to American politics...and this seemed like a fitting enough piece to lead off with. http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/08/paul-ryan-congress-town-hall Congress' approval rating—currently 13 percent...
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Paulie Walnuts
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teams that share a place with NBA will be different depending on what the NBA does. Don't see any of them being a hub .
Again, until we get more actual information all we're doing at this point is speculating blindly. Are they even going to do hubs? We don't know. Are they going to do a several regional hubs or just like one East Coast and one West Coast? We don't know. We don't know much of anything, so maybe we should just wait until we do. The only thing that seems obvious is that they'll have to do the Canadian Division, and that's only because of what we know about the border situation.
To summarize that pile of stuff from Pierre ...
1. They are holding a Board of Governors call today and call with the NHLPA Exec. Board (includes 16 player reps)
2. Still holding the Jan 1 date for starting the season, with a mid-December date for camps to open ... but it's still "up in the air"
3. Border restrictions continue to make an All Canada Division likely, but again ... nothing final on any of that.
And ... that's it. Which means we learned nothing other than the fact that the NHL is now actually talking to the PA on a more official basis, and including player reps in the conversations. I feel like from here, they ought to be able to make some progress, but 90% of what matters is still up in the air.
1. They are holding a Board of Governors call today and call with the NHLPA Exec. Board (includes 16 player reps)
2. Still holding the Jan 1 date for starting the season, with a mid-December date for camps to open ... but it's still "up in the air"
3. Border restrictions continue to make an All Canada Division likely, but again ... nothing final on any of that.
And ... that's it. Which means we learned nothing other than the fact that the NHL is now actually talking to the PA on a more official basis, and including player reps in the conversations. I feel like from here, they ought to be able to make some progress, but 90% of what matters is still up in the air.
SlapShots
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How many of you with full or partial season ticket packages anticipate going to the PNC Arena for games? How do you think they will manage seating, capacity, and the other details? Do you see yourselves in a cold, dry, hockey arena during another spike to watch a hockey game? How do you avoid the guy behind you yelling as he sips his beer without a mask? Using the public bathroom?
Paulie Walnuts
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ticketmaster says they will require vaccine proof or negative CV tests for their events. I assume NHL teams can set their own policy. I probably won't go until after I get the vaccine. I could see going to a practice if the crowd is small
I'll go post-vaccine and not before ... more than likely. And I don't have any idea what capacity restriction will look like in January, but I have a strong suspicion that we might be in a more restricted stance by then. So, the issue may be moot.
Paulie Walnuts
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pre vaccine I could see up to 3k spread out.
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I do, eventually, but I answered that first question of the survey the Canes sent out as "unsure, too many variables". Who knows where the Covid numbers will be by the time the NHL starts playing. Where will we be with vaccines? Will the state even allow there to be fans INDOORS at PNC in January (seems unlikely at this point, and if they do, what will it be, a couple of hundred?)
Given all of those are unknowns, its pretty hard to guess how the Canes would handle seating and capacity and anything else. There are way too many IFs in the way of us even being given an option to attend a game at PNC. And then once that opportunity does open up (IF it even opens up at all), I will need to evaluate everything at that time before I make my decision on going to a game.
During the pandemic I have spent 3 days at the shore in July at a hotel, a couple of nights at Harrah's Cherokee in September, and will be getting on a plane shortly for 1 night getaway and might spend some time out near Ashville during Christmas. So yeah, I'm not averse to some mask wearing risk. Given all that, if we are allowed to see games with extremely limited capacity before the vaccines are widely given sometime in January and February, its pretty likely that I would lean towards attending. As for the maskless drunk guy, yelling behind us? It all falls apart if arenas are not 100% absolutely on top of stuff like that. If the arenas, franchises, NHL and the fans want any level of attendance to work, the fans need to do their part AND the arenas need to have zero tolerance 100% of the time. One thing is pretty certain. If you are full season tix member you won't need to worry too much about 'how often am I willing to take a risk at the arena given I have tickets for X home games.', You would probably only be given an opportunity to attend less than half of the games anyway to spread out who has an opportunity to go and who doesn't.
What is my prediction? Gov. Cooper's restrictions for NC will prevent (or make it uneconomically feasible) for fans in the stands at PNC arena and in Charlotte until our state Covid numbers come down and we move from Level 3. I would say fans in the stands will not happen until March at the earliest unless there is an incredible effort and success with vaccines in Dec and January. That is in no way a political statement, I'm just stating what I think the Governor's likely approach will be given what the approach has been so far and how things appear to be trending.
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