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Maybe we’ll get lucky and the league will fold under the weight of the sanctions against the various oligarchs?
Nobody will want to stay over there to play hockey until 2024/25 with the way that country is trending...so the chances are better than you would think!
 
Maybe we’ll get lucky and the league will fold under the weight of the sanctions against the various oligarchs?
From what I can understand from the few who report knowledgeably on the KHL, the sanctions have been bad enough to reduce spending and keep a lot of foreign players out but not bad enough to do any financial damage otherwise. Their domestic revenues are still basically the same, although expenses are up. It's the kind of thing they can hunker down and get through so long as it doesn't last forever.
 
Through January 22nd:

Glen Trikozov LW (2nd Round 2022 VHL (Russian Minors) Omeskie Krylia/MHL Omeskie Yastreby (Russian Juniors)/KHL Avangard Omsk


With Omeskie Krylia: 25 Games 5 Goals 5 Assists -7
With Omeskie Yastreby: 15 Games 8 Goals 11 Assists +10 *** Back with MHL team (juniors)
With Avangard Omsk: 1 Game 0 Goals 0 Assists Even

Alexander Perevalov LW (3rd Round 2022 MHL (Russian Juniors) Loko Yaroslavl/KHL Kunlun Red Star/MHL (Russian Juniors Loko-76 Yaroslavl (yes that is actually a different team))

With Loko Yaroslavl: 4 Games 2 Goals 1 Assist + 1
With Kunlun Red Star: 27 Games 2 Goals 1 Assist -5
With Loko-76 Yaroslavl: 1 Game 0 Goals 0 Assists Even **** Now with Loko-76 Yaroslavl, which is a different MHL team from Loko Yaroslavl

Simon Forsmark LHD (4th Round 2022 J20 (Juniors) Orebro/SweHL Orebro/Swe-1 AIK)


With J20 Orebro: 33 games 6 Goals 24 Assists +3 ****
With SHL Orebro: 9 Games 0 Goals 0 Assists +4
With AIK: 5 Games 0 Goals 0 Assists -1

Cruz Lucius RW (4th Round 2022 Big 10 Wisconsin Fr.): 24 Games 9 Goals 15 Assists -6

Vladimir Grudinin LHD (5th Round 2022 KHL CSKA Moskova/VHL (Russian Minors) Zvezda Moskova/MHL (Russian Juniors) Krasnaya Armiya Moskova):

With CSKA Moskova: 26 Games 1 Goal 1 Assist +12
With Zvezda Moskova: 4 Games 0 Goals 0 Assists -1
With Krasnaya Armiya Moskova: 14 Games 1 Goal 7 Assists +12 *** Back in MHL

Alexander Pelevin LHD (7th round 2022 MHL (Russian Juniors) Chaika Nizhny Novgorod):
30 Games 2 Goal 10 Assists +13

Scott Morrow RHD (2nd Round 2021 Hockey East UMASS-Amherst So.): 24 Games 6 Goals 16 Assists +4

Alexsi Heimosalmi RHD (2nd Round 2021 Liiga Assat): 30 Games 4 Goals 8 Assists -6

Ville Koivunen W (2nd Round 2021 Liiga Karpat): 32 Games 7 Goals 6 Assists +1

Jackson Blake W (4th Round 2021 NCHC U. of North Dakota Fr.): 25 Games 10 Goals 16 Assists -9

Robert Orr C (5th Round 2021 QMJHL Gatineau/Acadie-Bathurst):

With Gatineau: 36 Games 9 Goals 12 Assists +7
With Acadie-Bathurst: 4 Games 2 Goals 3 Assists -7 ****

Justin Robidas C (5th Round 2021 QMJHL Val-D'Or/Quebec):


With Val-D'Or: 27 Games 14 Goals 28 Assists +10
With Quebec: 12 Games 4 Goals 12 Assists +8 ****

Bryce Montgomery RHD (6th round 2021 OHL London/USHL Cedar Rapids):


With London: 2 Games 1 Goal 0 Assists -2
With Cedar Rapids: 22 Games 2 Goals 4 Assists +4 ****

Nikita Guslistov C (7th round 2021 KHL Severstal Cherepovets):
42 Games 2 Goals 11 Assists -6

Joel Nystrom RHD (7th round 2021 SweHL Farjestad): 30 Games 5 Goals 8 Assists +2

Alexander Nikishin LHD (3rd round 2020 KHL SKA St. Petersburg): 52 Games 9 Goals 35 Assists +13

Zion Nybeck LW (4th round 2020 Swe-1 AIK): 34 Games 8 Goals 14 Assists -5

Lucas Mercuri C (6th round 2020 Hockey East UMASS-Amherst So.): 24 Games 2 Goals 8 Assists -3

Patrik Puistola F (3rd round 2019 Liiga Jukurit): 42 Games 13 Goals 18 Assists Even

Domenick Fensore LHD (3rd round 2019 Hockey East Boston U. Sr.): 22 Games 8 Goals 10 Assists +8

Cade Webber LHD (4th round 2019 Hockey East Boston U. Jr.): 23 Games 1 Goals 5 Assists +6

Kirill Slepets W (5th round 2019 KHL Amur Khabarovsk/VHL (Russian Minors) Sakol Krasnoyarsk):

With Amur Khabarovsk: 16 Games 0 Goals 3 Assists +1
With Sakol Krasnoyarsk: 11 Games 2 Goals 4 Assists +3 ****

Kevin Wall RW (6th round 2019 Big 10 Penn St. Sr.):
26 Games 12 Goals 9 Assists +17

Massimo Rizzo C (7th round 2019 UCHC U. of Denver So.): 26 Games 10 Goals 22 Assists +15

Dominick Bokk LW (Acquired via Trade DEL Frankfurt): 39 Games 22 Goals 23 Assists +24


Jakub Vondras G (6th round 2022 Czechia U20 HC Plzen) 7-6-0 2.42 GAA .919 Sv%

Patrik Hamrla G (3rd Round 2021 QMJHL Rimouski):
15-12-2 2.83 GAA .886 Sv%

Nikita Quapp G (6th round 2021 DEL Berlin/DEL2 Lausitzer):

With Berlin: Has not played
With Lausitzer: 4-5-0 3.00 GAA .913 Sv% ***

Yegor Naumov G (7th round 2021 ??????): Still no sign of this guy playing hockey anywhere

Jacob Kucharski G (7th round 2018 NCHC U of Nebraska-Omaha Sr.):
7-7-2 2.63 GAA .907 Sv%
 
Wolves last week:

Jan 17 @Manitoba L 2-0 Sawchenko with the loss
Jan 18 @Manitoba W 6-2 Kochetkov with the win. Suzuki, Joseph LaBate, Drury, Nathan Sucese, Tieksola and Brendan Perlini with the goals
Jan 21 @Rockford W 6-2 Kochetkov with the win. Suzuki, Gunler, Rees x2, Brendan Perlini and Ponomarev with the goals.

Kochetkov sparking the offense? 2 game win streak and ALMOST out of the cellar in the AHL Central.

4 games this week Tue/Wed @Tucson (Chicago hasn't played Tucson since early in the 2019-20 AHL season, they didn't play any Pacific division teams in the prior 2 seasons). Sat v. Rockford, Sun v. Grand Rapids
 
The Canes drop from 9th to 12th in Scott Wheeler’s prospect pool rankings at The Athletic. His top 15 are Morrow, Nikishin, Koochie, Drury, Blake, Rees, Koivunen, Gunler, Suzuki, Honka, Trikozov, Lucius, Fensore, Rizzo and Ponamaryov. He hated leaving Heimosalmi and Robidas off. He says that Morrow and Nikishin are clearly the top of the group, but several others, including guys he didn’t list, could be as high as 3rd or 4th, it’s a “truly unique, giant group of similar-grade prospects”. However, he also says this:

Scott Wheeler said:
But for all they have in quantity, and even quality within that quantity, they lack in true star power. On one hand, there are several pools whose top three or four prospects would all rank No. 1 on the Canes’ list here. On the other, there are several players who didn’t make their list here who’d rank in the upper half on a majority of other teams’ lists.

 
I think that is a fair assessment. Other than Morrow and Nikishin (and we hope Kochetkov), barring some unforeseen rapid development, we have a whole pile of what appear to be guys who MIGHT have NHL level skills but no one that screams 'that guy is going to be a top 6 forward or top pair Dman'. Right now its a very large group of kids with + skill sets that are undersized and/or need a whole lot of work on their complete game (which is not uncommon for most prospects).

This is going to be a problem for the Canes if we are thinking about trying to thin this very large prospect pool via trades. I don't look at most of these guys outside of Drury, Morrow and Nikishin and see any team really valuing these prospects as trade chips. You might be able to swing a quantity trade like we did for Trocheck, and I have no issue packaging 2 or 3 'prospects' for the right player, but there is not much top end in our pool, so the few top end guys we have are going to be the first players that teams demand in a trade.
 
Meh ... you can always move quality and the Canes have a lot of that. What they lack is that high powered prospect that you'd include in lieu of a 1st rounder. And that's fine. Their big swings in the draft have just yielded a bunch of hard hit singles and a couple of bloop doubles and no home runs. The hit rate is still impressive.
 
The Trocheck trade was 2 NHL players and 2 middling prospects in Luostarinen and Priskie. So maybe Wallmark was a makeweight to offset the quality of the prospects? Either that or it was to make the cap work.

But I don’t think anything is going to happen until the Canucks and Sharks allow teams to negotiate extensions for Horvat and Meier.
 
The Canes will most certainly want term on a contract type guy similar to the Trochek trade when they swing for the fences. I have no issue with that type of trade when you can reap the rewards of that for two or three years after this year.
 
The Trocheck trade was 2 NHL players and 2 middling prospects in Luostarinen and Priskie. So maybe Wallmark was a makeweight to offset the quality of the prospects? Either that or it was to make the cap work.

But I don’t think anything is going to happen until the Canucks and Sharks allow teams to negotiate extensions for Horvat and Meier.
That last bit is more important than the first. In both cases and especially with San Jose, enough bulk quality heading their way will be sufficient but only so long as the player is willing to stick around. Otherwise, just rent a lower profile guy. There's going to be a portion of the media and the fan base who won't understand that, but the teams that do the "all in" thing for the playoff rarely if ever win ... especially those that go all in on the one hot name. It's one of those things that has worked just enough times for there to be expectations that are unsupported by bulk of the evidence. Also, most of the time that deadline acquisition that worked is a guy named Bourque or Selanne ... not freaking Timo Meier.
 
It's one of those things that has worked just enough times for there to be expectations that are unsupported by bulk of the evidence. Also, most of the time that deadline acquisition that worked is a guy named Bourque or Selanne ... not freaking Timo Meier.
But in fairness, it worked out for the Hurricanes with Weight and Recchi in '06. So this fan base might be a little biased toward the more aggressive trade deadline posture.
 
But in fairness, it worked out for the Hurricanes with Weight and Recchi in '06. So this fan base might be a little biased toward the more aggressive trade deadline posture.
They can be as biased as they want ... they'll still be wrong when you look at the history of deadline moves across the league.
 
Glen Trikozov LW (2nd Round 2022 VHL (Russian Minors) Omeskie Krylia/MHL Omeskie Yastreby (Russian Juniors)/KHL Avangard Omsk

With Omeskie Krylia: 25 Games 5 Goals 5 Assists -7
With Omeskie Yastreby: 16 Games 8 Goals 13 Assists +10 *** Back with MHL team (juniors)
With Avangard Omsk: 1 Game 0 Goals 0 Assists Even

Alexander Perevalov LW (3rd Round 2022 MHL (Russian Juniors) Loko Yaroslavl/KHL Kunlun Red Star/MHL (Russian Juniors Loko-76 Yaroslavl (yes that is actually a different team))

With Loko Yaroslavl: 4 Games 2 Goals 1 Assist + 1
With Kunlun Red Star: 27 Games 2 Goals 1 Assist -5
With Loko-76 Yaroslavl: 1 Game 0 Goals 0 Assists Even **** Now with Loko-76 Yaroslavl, which is a different MHL team from Loko Yaroslavl

Simon Forsmark LHD (4th Round 2022 J20 (Juniors) Orebro/SweHL Orebro/Swe-1 AIK)


With J20 Orebro: 33 games 6 Goals 24 Assists +3 ****
With SHL Orebro: 9 Games 0 Goals 0 Assists +4
With AIK: 5 Games 0 Goals 0 Assists -1

Cruz Lucius RW (4th Round 2022 Big 10 Wisconsin Fr.): 26 Games 9 Goals 17 Assists -6

Vladimir Grudinin LHD (5th Round 2022 KHL CSKA Moskova/VHL (Russian Minors) Zvezda Moskova/MHL (Russian Juniors) Krasnaya Armiya Moskova):

With CSKA Moskova: 26 Games 1 Goal 1 Assist +12
With Zvezda Moskova: 4 Games 0 Goals 0 Assists -1
With Krasnaya Armiya Moskova: 16 Games 2 Goals 9 Assists +14 *** Back in MHL

Alexander Pelevin LHD (7th round 2022 MHL (Russian Juniors) Chaika Nizhny Novgorod):
32 Games 2 Goals 11 Assists +15

Scott Morrow RHD (2nd Round 2021 Hockey East UMASS-Amherst So.): 25 Games 6 Goals 16 Assists +4

Alexsi Heimosalmi RHD (2nd Round 2021 Liiga Assat): 31 Games 4 Goals 8 Assists -7

Ville Koivunen W (2nd Round 2021 Liiga Karpat): 35 Games 10 Goals 8 Assists +3

Jackson Blake W (4th Round 2021 NCHC U. of North Dakota Fr.): 27 Games 12 Goals 18 Assists -8

Robert Orr C (5th Round 2021 QMJHL Gatineau/Acadie-Bathurst):

With Gatineau: 36 Games 9 Goals 12 Assists +7
With Acadie-Bathurst: 6 Games 2 Goals 3 Assists -9 ****

Justin Robidas C (5th Round 2021 QMJHL Val-D'Or/Quebec):


With Val-D'Or: 27 Games 14 Goals 28 Assists +10
With Quebec: 14 Games 4 Goals 12 Assists +10 ****

Bryce Montgomery RHD (6th round 2021 OHL London/USHL Cedar Rapids):


With London: 2 Games 1 Goal 0 Assists -2
With Cedar Rapids: 24 Games 4 Goals 3 Assists +5 ****

Nikita Guslistov C (7th round 2021 KHL Severstal Cherepovets):
45 Games 2 Goals 11 Assists -7

Joel Nystrom RHD (7th round 2021 SweHL Farjestad): 32 Games 5 Goals 8 Assists +1

Alexander Nikishin LHD (3rd round 2020 KHL SKA St. Petersburg): 55 Games 9 Goals 36 Assists +13

Zion Nybeck LW (4th round 2020 Swe-1 AIK): 37 Games 10 Goals 14 Assists -10

Lucas Mercuri C (6th round 2020 Hockey East UMASS-Amherst So.): 25 Games 2 Goals 8 Assists -3

Patrik Puistola F (3rd round 2019 Liiga Jukurit): 45 Games 13 Goals 19 Assists -6

Domenick Fensore LHD (3rd round 2019 Hockey East Boston U. Sr.): 22 Games 8 Goals 10 Assists +8

Cade Webber LHD (4th round 2019 Hockey East Boston U. Jr.): 25 Games 1 Goals 5 Assists +7

Kirill Slepets W (5th round 2019 KHL Amur Khabarovsk/VHL (Russian Minors) Sakol Krasnoyarsk):

With Amur Khabarovsk: 16 Games 0 Goals 3 Assists +1
With Sakol Krasnoyarsk: 14 Games 3 Goals 7 Assists +6 ****

Kevin Wall RW (6th round 2019 Big 10 Penn St. Sr.):
28 Games 12 Goals 9 Assists +15

Massimo Rizzo C (7th round 2019 UCHC U. of Denver So.): 27 Games 10 Goals 22 Assists +15

Dominick Bokk LW (Acquired via Trade DEL Frankfurt): 42 Games 24 Goals 25 Assists +23


Jakub Vondras G (6th round 2022 Czechia U20 HC Plzen/Czechia2 Draci Sumperk):

With HC Plzen 7-7-0 2.53 GAA .915 Sv%
With Sumperk: 0-1-0 7.74 GAA .790 Sv% **** Played a game with a pro team in the Czechia 2nd division. Not sure if he stays here or not

Patrik Hamrla G (3rd Round 2021 QMJHL Rimouski):
15-12-2 2.83 GAA .886 Sv%

Nikita Quapp G (6th round 2021 DEL Berlin/DEL2 Lausitzer):

With Berlin: Has not played
With Lausitzer: 5-5-0 2.90 GAA .915 Sv% ***

Yegor Naumov G (7th round 2021 ??????): Still no sign of this guy playing hockey anywhere

Jacob Kucharski G (7th round 2018 NCHC U of Nebraska-Omaha Sr.):
7-8-2 2.83 GAA .900 Sv%
 
Wolves last week:

Jan 24 @Tucson L 5-1 Kochetkov with the loss. Rees with the goal.
Jan 25 @Tucson L 4-1 Sawchenko with the loss. Fitzgerald with the goal.
Jan 28 Rockford W 3-2(OT) Kochetkov with the win. Lajoie (OT game winner), Logan Lambdin and Seeley with the goals.
Jan 29 Grand Rapids L 5-3 Sawchenko with the loss. Suzuki and Seeley x2!! with the goals.

Ronan Seeley got his first pro goal Saturday and followed it up with 2 on Sunday.

2 road games this week Fri/Sat @Cleveland
 
They can be as biased as they want ... they'll still be wrong when you look at the history of deadline moves across the league.
Depends on the move I guess and what you have and what you’re looking to add to the mix. I think it’s a bad idea to mortgage the future to try to make a run.
 
Depends on the move I guess and what you have and what you’re looking to add to the mix. I think it’s a bad idea to mortgage the future to try to make a run.
This is all measurable. You can literally look back at the deadline moves of the last two decades and count the ones that were worth the cost on one hand.
 
This is all measurable. You can literally look back at the deadline moves of the last two decades and count the ones that were worth the cost on one hand.
The bulk of the moves are predictable in their stupidity. DW/MR to the Canes wasn’t. Added leadership depth grit and experience to a team that was close to good enough.

Horvath to the Isle. They’re still not gonna win the cup.

You are correct that most of the moves don’t work especially for rentals when a lot was given up. I’m just saying you can exclude probably 90% of them putty them into the category of it’s a long term move to make the team better or a PR move or a desperate shot at something right out of the gate.

You can also look at the moves that are likely to be effective and know that up front.

Domi to the Canes last season - unlikely to move the needle significantly.
 
The bulk of the moves are predictable in their stupidity. DW/MR to the Canes wasn’t. Added leadership depth grit and experience to a team that was close to good enough.

Horvath to the Isle. They’re still not gonna win the cup.

You are correct that most of the moves don’t work especially for rentals when a lot was given up. I’m just saying you can exclude probably 90% of them putty them into the category of it’s a long term move to make the team better or a PR move or a desperate shot at something right out of the gate.

You can also look at the moves that are likely to be effective and know that up front.

Domi to the Canes last season - unlikely to move the needle significantly.
Domi cost Carolina next to nothing and won them a Game 7. Those kind of deadline moves quite often work out just fine, depending your expectations. Moves for depth are easier to pull off and easier for the player to execute. And IMO you can't just dismiss 90% of historical deadline moves as obviously dumb ... because that's the whole point. This entire idea that you can routinely pull off direction changing moves at or near the trade deadline is on its face a dumb idea. And yet, EVERY deadline sees a parcel of GMs throwing away precious future resources chasing the longest of long shots ... because that one time it worked for that other guy.

I'm not saying you don't make a move this deadline. I'm saying it's short sighted and reckless to over-pay for the likes of Bo Horvat or whoever else ends up being this season's B Tier guy that gets over-hyped because he happens to be out of contract this summer. If the Canes can make a legit move for a reasonable cost, then they should go do that.
 
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