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2024-25 Canes Miscellaneous Thread

TheBigKahuna said:
Losing Rantanen for nothing will be a BAD look for Tulsky. That's a massive, massive bad move
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Not any worse than losing that penguin guy last year.

The only leverage we have is if he wants to play here. He can get similar money lots of other places if he waits or more from the Canes. There is no upside for him to sign now other than putting up garbage numbers hurts his value or a serious injury. If he was my kid I’d tell him to wait. Well if I didn’t live in NC. There’s almost no downside risk for him. Wait til he’s a UFA and let the bidding war begin and choose your team.
 
cmon3 said:
Not any worse than losing that penguin guy last year.

The only leverage we have is if he wants to play here. He can get similar money lots of other places if he waits or more from the Canes. There is no upside for him to sign now other than putting up garbage numbers hurts his value or a serious injury. If he was my kid I’d tell him to wait. Well if I didn’t live in NC. There’s almost no downside risk for him. Wait til he’s a UFA and let the bidding war begin and choose your team.
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That’s why many teams would have only made that move as a sign and trade to avoid this current scenario. We all have heard how surprised the player was when he was traded out of Colorado, and I know the Canes like to be bold with some of their acquisitions but the risk of where things stand right now was going to be high with the cap going up and the fact the guy is a premier player and those do not make it to the open market very often. If this turns out to be another rental only move this is far worse than the Guentzel scenario…the assets given up for Rants far exceeded the mostly spare parts lost for Guentzel.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
Losing Rantanen for nothing will be a BAD look for Tulsky. That's a massive, massive bad move
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I know I promised to shut up on this, but that scenario is only some sort of disaster if the club doesn't use the cap space to make the roster better. And what evidence is these to suggest that they wouldn't do that? There isn't any. The doom and gloom stuff is self-inflicted at this point.
 
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From my simple fan perspective, the Canes make a strong case for Rantanen. It boils down to two basic elements, relevance in the form of contending and capacity to stay stay contenders.
The Canes are a team that can do both those things now— win now and pay the guy what he wants. The Canes are relevant and with their current core and prospects, will likely stay relevant.

Other teams that may be able to afford Rantanen are teams that have not been relevant or are in a re-building process or will have to trade away pieces to get there, thus further away from getting a Cup.

My 2cents worth and that at least helps my headspace.
 
The one good thing about this, no matter how you predict or want things to play out with Rantanen, between now and next Friday afternoon the trade possibility will be 100% resolved.

The bad part is, if he is not signed or traded by next Friday, we could be looking at almost 4 months of media speculation and fan hand wringing about losing him for nothing.

If Rantanen is not signed or traded by next Friday, I fully expect he is signing elsewhere. The only questions left will be 'who trades for his signing rights and do the Canes only get another 3rd round pick in return? AND 'Do the Canes win the Cup?'
 
For what is worth, Pierre LeBrun thinks there is almost zero chance that the Canes trade Rantanen. If he doesn't sign with the Canes, so be it, the Canes will have him as a rental and will use all of that extra cap room in some other way next season.
 
cmaleski2 said:
If Rantanen is not signed or traded by next Friday, I fully expect he is signing elsewhere. The only questions left will be 'who trades for his signing rights and do the Canes only get another 3rd round pick in return? AND 'Do the Canes win the Cup?'
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Maybe true but there’s nothing to indicate that. Rantanan would be a fool to sign now unless he really wants to be here a lot.

If he waits he can still sign here or choose some else. He’s going to get lots of offers. He can probably get more from the Canes this summer. Why would he sign now? I’m not being pessimistic on this either. I don’t think he’s going to sign anywhere until he sees what the offers are this summer unless the Canes make him an offer too good to pass up.
 
I can't imagine living in a world where $104 million dollars isn't enough for me. I'd sacrifice $10m to be on a team I want to be on, in a location I want to be in. Zero chance I'd take several million extra to go play in Winnipeg.
 
jeffbear said:
FWIW, reports out of Toronto indicate that Carolina made Rantanen an offer on a contract extension either during or right after the 4 Nations break. It was reported as "9 figures", and he's supposedly thinking about it. It's obvious the info came from his agent, confirming my suspicions about what was driving the reports we saw during 4 Nations.

If I had to guess, the Canes probably gave him a starting position rather than a drop dead number. There's no reason for the info to be presented as this "in the 9 digit range" nonsense unless the agent is downplaying the number, which means the Canes likely offered the full term at a logical market value. If he was actually offended by it, you'd hear completely different noises. For the record, $100 million would be $12.5 million AAV by 8 years, which is pretty much what Rantanen supposedly wanted from Colorado ... although there have been conflicting reports on that.
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You will regret that contract 5 minutes after the ink dries

He is a star who had 2 top 5 talents in the game padding his stats

He is like Stammer a systems guy , as soon as you leave that comfort zone your not the same

8x 12.5 will be an albatross and nobody will give him close to 14 in the open market on a 7 year deal

I would move him and not get sucked into his demands , take your cap and spend it better

Your heading into a retool this summer in any situation especially on D
 
SlapShots said:
From my simple fan perspective, the Canes make a strong case for Rantanen. It boils down to two basic elements, relevance in the form of contending and capacity to stay stay contenders.
The Canes are a team that can do both those things now— win now and pay the guy what he wants. The Canes are relevant and with their current core and prospects, will likely stay relevant.

Other teams that may be able to afford Rantanen are teams that have not been relevant or are in a re-building process or will have to trade away pieces to get there, thus further away from getting a Cup.

My 2cents worth and that at least helps my headspace.
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Exactly contenders dont have the cap space to ink him or will fuck up their internal cap even trying

Desperate teams like the Hawks are 2 years away from being 2 years away so if he wants to rot on a shit team be my guest

Utah is the only team that may make a push
 
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