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Incorrect. What you, and many here including myself, always do is set arbitrary boundaries and call those universal facts when all of this is opinion based.

Suzuki is one of the 32 best centers in the league. That doesn't make him elite, that doesn't make him a franchise center, that doesn't make him a #1 center. None of these statements are factual, they're opinion based.

There aren't 32 #1 centers in the league, there aren't 32 #1 d-men in the league, there aren't 32 #1 goalies in the league. There aren't 32 people who are of the caliber to be head coaches or general managers in the league either.

I'd argue there's about 15-16 #1 centers in the league, honestly.

Is there?

McKinnon, McDavid, Draisaitl, Crosby, Barkov, Matthews, Eichel, Hughes, Point. Maybe Reinhart? After that you start falling in the Suzuki comparables.
 
If Suzuki's your #1 and/or best center, you'll be the best team in the battle for the wild card position year over year.

But if the goal's to make consistent playoff pushes? Good luck with that.
It depends on who is your no. 2 center. If it’s Kirby Dach, yeah sure.
 
If Suzuki's your #1 and/or best center, you'll be the best team in the battle for the wild card position year over year.

But if the goal's to make consistent playoff pushes? Good luck with that.
You said a few years ago that he was a low 60 point center and you were wrong about that too. Now you’ve moved the goalposts to “he’s not one of the best centers in the NHL” so I guess you’re one for two. Bravo.
 
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Incorrect. What you, and many here including myself, always do is set arbitrary boundaries and call those universal facts when all of this is opinion based.

Suzuki is one of the 32 best centers in the league. That doesn't make him elite,
Nobody claimed that strawman
that doesn't make him a franchise center,
Nobody claimed that strawman
that doesn't make him a #1 center.
By definition he is
None of these statements are factual, they're opinion based.
Fact is there are 32 positions of #1 center in the NHL. That fact is indisputable. It's the only fact. What you are doing is opinion. Just because you deem his skill level too low doesn't change FACTS.
There aren't 32 #1 centers in the league, there aren't 32 #1 d-men in the league, there aren't 32 #1 goalies in the league. There aren't 32 people who are of the caliber to be head coaches or general managers in the league either.
Now this is pure conjecture with zero basis of fact. This is solely based on your opinion of what a #1 center should be. You clearly don't know what a fact is.
I'd argue there's about 15-16 #1 centers in the league, honestly.
In your opinion. Not fact.
 
If Suzuki's your #1 and/or best center, you'll be the best team in the battle for the wild card position year over year.
Ok. Doesn't change the fact that he's a number one center.
But if the goal's to make consistent playoff pushes? Good luck with that.
Read above. Your definition of number one center is incorrect. Fact.
 
If Suzuki's your #1 and/or best center, you'll be the best team in the battle for the wild card position year over year.

But if the goal's to make consistent playoff pushes? Good luck with that.
I'd definitely prefer to have an elite center, but I'd say that Suzuki is in the same tier as Scheifele who the top center on the current top team in the league.

Capitals are sitting in second and their top C is Dylan Strome.

Stars at #3 have Matt Duchene as #1 C.

If you have a good enough team, you can be elite with a average #1 center.
 
I'd definitely prefer to have an elite center, but I'd say that Suzuki is in the same tier as Scheifele who the top center on the current top team in the league.

Capitals are sitting in second and their top C is Dylan Strome.

Stars at #3 have Matt Duchene as #1 C.

If you have a good enough team, you can be elite with a average #1 center.
I would take Scheifele over Nick
 
That's fine... But my assertion was not that Nick is better. It's that they're the same tier. Neither are elite/top 5 or even 10 centers in the league.

You can absolutely be a serious Cup contender with a "just good" #1 center. You just need to be strong everywhere else.

If Slafkovsky can figure it, the wings will be very strong.
 
That's fine... But my assertion was not that Nick is better. It's that they're the same tier. Neither are elite/top 5 or even 10 centers in the league.

You can absolutely be a serious Cup contender with a "just good" #1 center. You just need to be strong everywhere else.
Yup it worked with the Blues with ROR and Vegas with Jack

Not elite at that time but delivered elite on the playoffs

MS is borderline top10C for me
 
If Demidov turns out to be first overall caliber it becomes a wash. Although I don't see who is head and shoulders above Slaf. Cooley is having a good season. He's about it.
Exactly.

The year we drafted 1OA the consensus was that there were 3 possibilities: Slaf, Cooley or Wright. Slaf had a 50 point season last year. Cooley wasn't heard from until this season and Wright has spent most of his career up to now in the AHL.

If we were to re-draft today and the choice was one of those three, I'd still take Slaf.
 
Exactly.

The year we drafted 1OA the consensus was that there were 3 possibilities: Slaf, Cooley or Wright. Slaf had a 50 point season last year. Cooley wasn't heard from until this season and Wright has spent most of his career up to now in the AHL.

If we were to re-draft today and the choice was one of those three, I'd still take Slaf.
I’d probably take Cooley.
 
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