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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

LeafOfFaith said:
The selling team never gets value in these deals.

They wouldn't get what you think is a fair package for him, and I could certainly see Willy being a nice centerpiece, similar to how Huberdeau was in the Tkachuk trade.
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Willy wouldn't waive to go to Vancouver

Also, "never" is a strong word. If Vancouver was trading him now, they're sending him with 2 years of control and probably to a team that has asked permission to speak with his agents about willingness to sign long term in that market. They would get get a lot for him if they made him available.
 
Never in a million years will Tavares agree to waive his NMC. Let alone to go to a bottom-feeder.

Keep dreamin’ though!
 
There are plenty of circumstances where players, including in Toronto, will waive their NMC’s.

Tavares absolutely will not, though.
 
LeafGm said:
There are plenty of circumstances where players, including in Toronto, will waive their NMC’s.

Tavares absolutely will not, though.
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Ah yes the one special case in the entire league is definitely the one contract the leafs need to move the most.
 
zeke said:
Ah yes the one special case in the entire league is definitely the one contract the leafs need to move the most.
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Explain to me what would motivate Tavares to waive his NMC in general, and also specifically to go to one of the worst teams in the league?
 
Hey Canucks, you guys really should rebuild. You can jumpstart that process by trading Elias Pettersson, your 24 year old RFA for soon to be 33 year old John Tavares! It's a win-win!
 
LeafGm said:
Explain to me what would motivate Tavares to waive his NMC in general, and also specifically to go to one of the worst teams in the league?Generally, players don't simply refuse to waive their NMCs. It doesn't happen.
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Leafs fans do this shit non stop. They convince themselves that all the players we want to keep all want to leave, and the ones we want to leave will never go. And it's literally never the case.


1. Generally players don't refuse to waive NMCs. It's rare that players stay where they aren't wanted. The real question is - why would a player want to stay where he isnt wanted?

2 There's been two types that have ever refused to waive an NMC:

A. Guys who made big sacrfices in money to help their team out.
B. Epic selfish assholes.

Tavares fits neither of those categories.

3. The argument seems to be that Tavares simply HAS to play in Toronto, and will absolutely refuse to move his family anywhere else. Because Toeonto is home.

Except there's one small (read: actually big) problem - he'll only be signed for one more year at that point. What happens when that contract is up? How important is staying in Toronto really?

Will he stay here if we offer him league minimum for his next contract? Or will he choose to DESTROY his home and family by daring to move them somewhere else on his next contract?Hmm. I wonder.

And if he does really want to sign a retirement contract with the leafs on his next one.....do you think screwing a GM that didnt sign him by refusing to waive his nmc to allow his team to use that space to add some elite younger talent is something that would make Brad eager to sign Tavares to that retirement contract? Or would it piss Brad off, cause Tavares to lose any respect he has earned, and force the poor Tavares family into living in some place other than glorious perfect Toronto for the duration of his last contract?

There doesn't seem to be a single actual reason for Tavares to refuse to waive his NMC, to be honest.
 
zeke said:
Leafs fans do this shit non stop. They convince themselves that all the players we want to keep all want to leave, and the ones we want to leave will never go. And it's literally never the case.


1. Generally players don't refuse to waive NMCs. It's rare that players stay where they aren't wanted. The real question is - why would a player want to stay where he isnt wanted?

2 There's been two types that have ever refused to waive an NMC:

A. Guys who made big sacrfices in money to help their team out.
B. Epic selfish assholes.

Tavares fits neither of those categories.

3. The argument seems to be that Tavares simply HAS to play in Toronto, and will absolutely refuse to move his family anywhere else. Because Toeonto is home.

Except there's one small (read: actually big) problem - he'll only be signed for one more year at that point. What happens when that contract is up? How important is staying in Toronto really?

Will he stay here if we offer him league minimum for his next contract? Or will he choose to DESTROY his home and family by daring to move them somewhere else on his next contract?Hmm. I wonder.

And if he does really want to sign a retirement contract with the leafs on his next one.....do you think screwing a GM that didnt sign him by refusing to waive his nmc to allow his team to use that space to add some elite younger talent is something that would make Brad eager to sign Tavares to that retirement contract? Or would it piss Brad off, cause Tavares to lose any respect he has earned, and force the poor Tavares family into living in some place other than glorious perfect Toronto for the duration of his last contract?

There doesn't seem to be a single actual reason for Tavares to refuse to waive his NMC, to be honest.
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A whole lot of words here, none of which addresses the fact that John Tavares is living his dream right now of playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and while it's not "impossible" that he waives his NMC, he sure as fuck isn't going to give up a chance to win the Stanley Cup for his hometown team so that he can spend the year not making the playoffs in Vancouver.
 
Yep leafs are super special and have every exceptionally unique scenario happen to them (they never actually happen tho).
 
To be fair (and balanced) because I'm sure you're well aware that I wouldn't wear pants for a week if we were able to move Tavares (especially in some sort of a Petterson deal jeebus)....but has an aging former star player ever waived their NMC from a contender to go play for a non playoff team?
 
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