Around The League - 2024-25 Regular Season

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Simply a cash grab , more carbon released in the air to extract the materials to make EV batteries , etc…

Problem is the global manufacturing factories to make goods more cheaper to ship to the rest of the world

The polution they emit will never get fixed or goods can no longer be made affordable

Right, so let's do nothing because that always works.

I'd rather have carbon pricing where rebates are given than the gas tax that the UCP government just instituted in Alberta. THAT is a cash grab. No rebates, just a one way transfer of wealth from consumers to the provincial government.

 

[GGpX]

View: https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1780070144959488000

 

[GGpX]

San Jose's already on vacation and management is hoping they get rewarded with Celebrini.

What a wonderful system.

 

[GrandWazoo]

San Jose's already on vacation and management is hoping they get rewarded with Celebrini.

What a wonderful system.

It's a terrible system.

 

[GGpX]

The NHL needs to figure out ways to make rebuilds faster. What's happening in San Jose is a fucking travesty and it's completely unacceptable that a pro franchise should be actively encouraged by it's own fans to run its business like this.

San Jose is partially management fuck-ups, partially intentional tanking. It's just gross.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

The NHL needs to figure out ways to make rebuilds faster. What's happening in San Jose is a fucking travesty and it's completely unacceptable that a pro franchise should be actively encouraged by it's own fans to run its business like this.

San Jose is partially management fuck-ups, partially intentional tanking. It's just gross.

under no circs should you be rewarded for losing deliberately like San Jose, Chicago, Toronto and Edmonton in the past

 

[GrandWazoo]

I completely agree, it's ruining fan bases and honestly it's not good for the sport.

I get that teams should have to pay and shoulder the burden for their mistakes, but 10+ years rebuild are ridiculous and harmful. No other sports does that.

 

[GrandWazoo]

under no circs should you be rewarded for losing deliberately like San Jose, Chicago, Toronto and Edmonton in the past

I'm a firm believer that you should never get rewarded for losing. Sure, some teams will lose, and they should have ways to get out of it, but fans should never be put in a position where they want their team to lose, or that teams have incentive for losing games. It goes against the very foundational core of sports and competition.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

Right, so let's do nothing because that always works.

I'd rather have carbon pricing where rebates are given than the gas tax that the UCP government just instituted in Alberta. THAT is a cash grab. No rebates, just a one way transfer of wealth from consumers to the provincial government.

if you are poor and drive a F350 you get money back, but if well off and drive a shit Honda Fit, you get nothing back. A wealth transfer never gave anyone clean air. Anyway, nothing we do will clean the world's air as long as China and India send as much shit into the air as they do.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

I'm a firm believer that you should never get rewarded for losing. Sure, some teams will lose, and they should have ways to get out of it, but fans should never be put in a position where they want their team to lose, or that teams have incentive for losing games. It goes against the very foundational core of sports and competition.

there actually were fans upset at 20s hattrick as it "hurt the tank". Like wtf

 

[GGpX]

I completely agree, it's ruining fan bases and honestly it's not good for the sport.

I get that teams should have to pay and shoulder the burden for their mistakes, but 10+ years rebuild are ridiculous and harmful. No other sports does that.

And that's what Chicago, San Jose, Montreal are: 10+ year rebuilds.

In total, it's going to take 10 years to unfuck everything. That's literally throwing away a full generation of fans that are going to tune in to something else.

Every other major sport in North America has a way out: The NFL has a sport based on get-rich-quick schemes (that actually work!) due to mostly un-guaranteed contracts and older players drafted into the league that can play right away. The NBA has shorter contracts and more buyout flexibility, including in-season buyouts. The MLB has a "soft" Cap.

The NHL's rules increasingly make it hard to get out of bad spots and they don't care one bit about it.

 

[GGpX]

By the way, another very, very unpopular opinion I might have, but I'm 100% correct about:

The less rights athletes have, the better the product is for the fans.

Case & point, NHL & MLB, case & points, NFL & UFC. I don't count the NBA because Adam Silver might as well be an unofficial member of the NBAPA and the NBA's purposely made it better for the players, for some odd reason.

The NHL & MLB have the strongest unions in North America and the athletes have the best contracts in terms of length & security.

The NFL crushes the players every time there's a labor dispute and the players give up so much every time for fucking idiotic shit. Then you have the UFC, where the fighters are actively anti-unionization and make around 15% of the revenue generated by the UFC.

For my money, the NHL & MLB put on the shittiest product without much care, whereas the NFL & UFC are the two most entertaining products to watch for the fan.

 

[GrandWazoo]

By the way, another very, very unpopular opinion I might have, but I'm 100% correct about:

The less rights athletes have, the better the product is for the fans.

Case & point, NHL & MLB, case & points, NFL & UFC. I don't count the NBA because Adam Silver might as well be an unofficial member of the NBAPA and the NBA's purposely made it better for the players, for some odd reason.

The NHL & MLB have the strongest unions in North America and the athletes have the best contracts in terms of length & security.

The NFL crushes the players every time there's a labor dispute and the players give up so much every time for fucking idiotic shit. Then you have the UFC, where the fighters are actively anti-unionization and make around 15% of the revenue generated by the UFC.

For my money, the NHL & MLB put on the shittiest product without much care, whereas the NFL & UFC are the two most entertaining products to watch for the fan.

Well I agree with you, so it's at least popular with me. The NHL was more interesting before the 1994 lock out. Teams having more control of their players is great for the fans and the sports, but yeah, less for the athletes of course.

 

[GrandWazoo]

By the way, another very, very unpopular opinion I might have, but I'm 100% correct about:

The less rights athletes have, the better the product is for the fans.

Case & point, NHL & MLB, case & points, NFL & UFC. I don't count the NBA because Adam Silver might as well be an unofficial member of the NBAPA and the NBA's purposely made it better for the players, for some odd reason.

The NHL & MLB have the strongest unions in North America and the athletes have the best contracts in terms of length & security.

The NFL crushes the players every time there's a labor dispute and the players give up so much every time for fucking idiotic shit. Then you have the UFC, where the fighters are actively anti-unionization and make around 15% of the revenue generated by the UFC.

For my money, the NHL & MLB put on the shittiest product without much care, whereas the NFL & UFC are the two most entertaining products to watch for the fan.

I completely lost interest in baseball for that reason, and hockey is only surviving for me because I deeply love the sport. You and I had many discussions on how to fix it, we have different approaches but our goals are the same. There was a great line from the Fallout show saying, a lot of people want to save the world, but nobody can agree on how to do it. That's the issue here. Except that I don't get the feeling that the NHL (still don't care about MLB) really wants to fix their issues.

I specialize in problem solving, and when working with organizations, big disruptive changes don't work, so you really have to focus on meaningful tweaks that moves the needle and provide meaningful improvements, without disrupting operations too much.

 

[GGpX]

I still can't believe how the NHL executives view the league.

I think hockey is such a great sport with so much potential, and yet the NHL strives largely in spite of their decisions. I understand that it's an extremely conservative league (with politics that reflect this, another topic for another day) that loves to play the ostrich game of putting their head in the sand and ignoring their problems.

Why is fighting still in the game? Why is gratuitous violence still accept and applauded? Why are there no consequences for players who stop play to start scrums after perfectly legal body checks? Why are the stars of this sport, who are by far the most talented players we've ever seen, so seldomly marketed? Why did the NHL allow 10 years of ultra defensive hockey in the mid-90s to mid-2000s without ever doing anything about it?

In their minds, the game is fine, it's growing, there's more money than ever, despite that being the case for literally every single major sport. The NHL could be 10x better if it had the direction of the NFL, which is trying to make the product better every single year.

 

[GrandWazoo]

I still can't believe how the NHL executives view the league.

I think hockey is such a great sport with so much potential, and yet the NHL strives largely in spite of their decisions. I understand that it's an extremely conservative league (with politics that reflect this, another topic for another day) that loves to play the ostrich game of putting their head in the sand and ignoring their problems.

Why is fighting still in the game? Why is gratuitous violence still accept and applauded? Why are there no consequences for players who stop play to start scrums after perfectly legal body checks? Why are the stars of this sport, who are by far the most talented players we've ever seen, so seldomly marketed? Why did the NHL allow 10 years of ultra defensive hockey in the mid-90s to mid-2000s without ever doing anything about it?

In their minds, the game is fine, it's growing, there's more money than ever, despite that being the case for literally every single major sport. The NHL could be 10x better if it had the direction of the NFL, which is trying to make the product better every single year.

It's a league mostly managed and influenced by former players that grew up in a specific culture and thrived in it, so of course they will protect it. And it's also a league mostly managed and influenced by Canadians who resent or disapprove of elitism, look down on stars with personality, reinforcing the humble team aspect of it's never about me but about the team . And don't get me wrong, I like a lot about the latter part but it's been taken to the extreme. It's ok to be humble and team oriented, but you can recognized your special talent and promote them at the same time, and stop trying to bring them down. The leveling down to the most common denominator was always one of the most frustrating and annoying part of the Canadian culture to me. And hockey is a glaring example of that culture.

 

[GEEMAN]

The NHL needs to figure out ways to make rebuilds faster. What's happening in San Jose is a fucking travesty and it's completely unacceptable that a pro franchise should be actively encouraged by it's own fans to run its business like this.

San Jose is partially management fuck-ups, partially intentional tanking. It's just gross.

System is fine , its the fucken stupid regimes that cause this

The Blues are the model how to do it

Good drafting , development and retooling every year

They won a cup and their window was over

Armstrong started dumping assets and nabbed 3 firsts to go with Kyrou ,Thomas , Neighbours etc...

Wilson fucked up royally inking EK and others to stupid deals , plus all these no trade clauses around the league that kill you

NHL is the toughest sport to manage your roster /cap ......do a better job

Why do you think the Habs are in year 3 of a fucken tear down ... terrible management

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

I completely agree, it's ruining fan bases and honestly it's not good for the sport.

I get that teams should have to pay and shoulder the burden for their mistakes, but 10+ years rebuild are ridiculous and harmful. No other sports does that.

But teams also shouldn't be allowed to throw money at their mistakes either like the Leafs did every year in the pre cap days. Stupidity needs to be punished, not rewarded. The whole reason we have a cap is because stupid rich teams were causing inflation by papering over their mistakes with cash like what happens in baseball.

 

[GEEMAN]

It's a league mostly managed and influenced by former players that grew up in a specific culture and thrived in it, so of course they will protect it. And it's also a league mostly managed and influenced by Canadians who resent or disapprove of elitism, look down on stars with personality, reinforcing the humble team aspect of it's never about me but about the team . And don't get me wrong, I like a lot about the latter part but it's been taken to the extreme. It's ok to be humble and team oriented, but you can recognized your special talent and promote them at the same time, and stop trying to bring them down. The leveling down to the most common denominator was always one of the most frustrating and annoying part of the Canadian culture to me. And hockey is a glaring example of that culture.

NHL players are boring by nature , they are mechanical robots with the same speech

Hockey will always be # 4 and mainly a regional game

Your not turning CMD or Sid into rock stars or Deon Sanders personalities

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

NHL players are boring by nature , they are mechanical robots with the same speech

Hockey will always be # 4 and mainly a regional game

Your not turning CMD or Sid into rock stars or Deon Sanders personalities

Subban was as close as any hockey player has come to being like a Sanders and we all know what happened to him. He had to spend the last half of his career justifying himself to the establishment.

And then he retored and wanted to become a television personality? He did it with ESPN, not with Sportsnet, which prefers to have Ron MacLean, Kelly Hrudey, and some woman who thinks that everyone and everything is just great and Please can I keep my job another week.