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Around The League - 2024-25 Regular Season

GGpX said:
And that's what Chicago, San Jose, Montreal are: 10+ year rebuilds.

In total, it's going to take 10 years to unfuck everything. That's literally throwing away a full generation of fans that are going to tune in to something else.

Every other major sport in North America has a way out: The NFL has a sport based on get-rich-quick schemes (that actually work!) due to mostly un-guaranteed contracts and older players drafted into the league that can play right away. The NBA has shorter contracts and more buyout flexibility, including in-season buyouts. The MLB has a "soft" Cap.

The NHL's rules increasingly make it hard to get out of bad spots and they don't care one bit about it.
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If the NHL were to adopt any method where it was possible for stupid wealthy teams to spend their way out of mediocrity we would see a lot of teams either fold or putter along with zero chance of ever being successful. That's essentially where MLB is now. You have a few rich teams who snaffle up all the good expensive players and the rest of the league lives off the scraps and many fanbases know that their teams are pretty much eliminated from the post season before the season even starts. Baseball can get away with a 2 tier system but the NHL can't because at least 4 of the teams which would inevitably become the have-not's are in Canada. You think there's permanent mediocrity now? Bring in what MLB does and you'll see what happens.

No Habs fan should want the current system to change. If you adopt the same system as MLB the Habs quickly become the Expos.
 
Too many teams chasing too little high end talent. Blue chip prospects are scarce.

Rebuilds take forever because in most years, the draft likely offers you a chance to replenish your third line three years from now.
 
CH1 said:
Too many teams chasing too little high end talent.

Rebuilds take forever because in most years, the draft most likely offers you a chance to replenish your third line three years from now.
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Because Bettman says we "need" to have teams in places that no one gives a shit about, like Columbus, Phoenix, Raleigh and Anaheim.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
If the NHL were to adopt any method where it was possible for stupid wealthy teams to spend their way out of mediocrity we would see a lot of teams either fold or putter along with zero chance of ever being successful. That's essentially where MLB is now. You have a few rich teams who snaffle up all the good expensive players and the rest of the league lives off the scraps and many fanbases know that their teams are pretty much eliminated from the post season before the season even starts. Baseball can get away with a 2 tier system but the NHL can't because at least 4 of the teams which would inevitably become the have-not's are in Canada. You think there's permanent mediocrity now? Bring in what MLB does and you'll see what happens.

No Habs fan should want the current system to change. If you adopt the same system as MLB the Habs quickly become the Expos.
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NHL has to have a salary cap ,no way around it

NFL is the best run sports league by a mile but the system allows all teams to compete on a level playing field with massive league revenues

Players dont care where they play, the draft produces instant plug/play players

MLB has teams that dont give a shit about winning , they cant compete and still make money

League is a fucken joke from top to bottom
 
GEEMAN said:
NHL has to have a salary cap ,no way around it

NFL is the best run sports league by a mile but the system allows all teams to compete on a level playing field with massive league revenues

Players dont care where they play, the draft produces instant plug/play players

MLB has teams that dont give a shit about winning , they cant compete and still make money

League is a fucken joke from top to bottom
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They’re not really that well run, players are a PR disaster, the owners have crushed the Union, but no one cares since games are 1x week and anyone can bet on them, with limited schedule allowing all broadcast revenue to be shared evenly, since football isn’t a made for radio game as MLB is w NYY / Red Sox / LA bringing in $150M-$200M per year in radio revenue alone
 
Sal_Butera said:
They’re not really that well run, players are a PR disaster, the owners have crushed the Union, but no one cares since games are 1x week and anyone can bet on them, with limited schedule allowing all broadcast revenue to be shared evenly, since football isn’t a made for radio game as MLB is w NYY / Red Sox / LA bringing in $150M-$200M per year in radio revenue alone
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The NFL system is great and fair

The league generates piles of money evenly distributed regardless of franchise locations

The draft generates immediate starters , stars are everywhere including undrafted

Most contracts are not fully guaranteed and signing bonuses are structured and teams have the flexibility to manage their yearly cap

Your good you get paid , simple as that

2/3 of the NHL would be cut by now if the NHL adopted the same system

Your not saddled with Gally, Vlasic, Huberdeau , contracts ...your gonzo when you stink

Regimes have extreme flexibility and only terrible regimes go a decade with no success
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
If the NHL were to adopt any method where it was possible for stupid wealthy teams to spend their way out of mediocrity we would see a lot of teams either fold or putter along with zero chance of ever being successful. That's essentially where MLB is now. You have a few rich teams who snaffle up all the good expensive players and the rest of the league lives off the scraps and many fanbases know that their teams are pretty much eliminated from the post season before the season even starts. Baseball can get away with a 2 tier system but the NHL can't because at least 4 of the teams which would inevitably become the have-not's are in Canada. You think there's permanent mediocrity now? Bring in what MLB does and you'll see what happens.

No Habs fan should want the current system to change. If you adopt the same system as MLB the Habs quickly become the Expos.
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Your lack of imagination keeps impressing me.

Besides the very obvious comment that there is so many options and nuances between the current situation and what you are describing, I actually don’t mind at all a system that have slight benefits, and it needs to be slight, for the big market teams that are funding the rest of the league.
 
GEEMAN said:
The NFL system is great and fair

The league generates piles of money evenly distributed regardless of franchise locations

The draft generates immediate starters , stars are everywhere including undrafted

Most contracts are not fully guaranteed and signing bonuses are structured and teams have the flexibility to manage their yearly cap

Your good you get paid , simple as that

2/3 of the NHL would be cut by now if the NHL adopted the same system

Your not saddled with Gally, Vlasic, Huberdeau , contracts ...your gonzo when you stink

Regimes have extreme flexibility and only terrible regimes go a decade with no success
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Yeah the NFL has tons of issues, but the CBA and draft reality allows teams to take chances, make mistakes and rebound within a few years.
 
Sal_Butera said:
Simply return NHL draft to 20 & over
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that would be huge.... and would get more players to actually impact the roster during their cheap ELC years

part of an NFL team's blueprint for success is paying big $$ to elite players while getting enough young talent to outperform their salary

players that provide a contract surplus in the NHL are incredibly rare
 
Sal_Butera said:
Simply return NHL draft to 20 & over
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Fixing the draft is a big part of it, but it's not so simple, there needs to be a path for talent 19 years old to be in the NHL. 18 years old very rarely provide any value, so I'd be fine to put a cutoff there if needed but I would prefer a system with an exception rule.

The biggest issue is contracts. Take Denver and Russell Wilson as example, arguably the biggest fuckup since Hershell Walker, they'll have wasted 3 years of franchise time but they'll be able to rebound after next season. They paid the price, made a fool of themselves and fucked themselves up in the process, but their fans don't have to give up on their team for the next 10 years. I'd like something similar for the NHL.
 
GrandWazoo said:
The biggest issue is contracts. Take Denver and Russell Wilson as example, arguably the biggest fuckup since Hershell Walker, they'll have wasted 3 years of franchise time but they'll be able to rebound after next season. They paid the price, made a fool of themselves and fucked themselves up in the process, but their fans don't have to give up on their team for the next 10 years. I'd like something similar for the NHL.
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How do you do that without having an influx of talent joining the draft ranks every year?

You say the biggest issue is contracts (I say it's not enough talent being produced for 32 teams)

Scarcity leads to desperation which leads to overpayment.

The reason teams are locking up Josh Anderson to ridiculous 7 x 5.5M contracts is that they have no confidence in landing an 18 goal scorer with physicality anywhere but the top of the draft.

I realize Josh was a 5th rounder but teams know that's a rare lotto ticket that pays out.

Look at the Habs...they have spent a lot of your lifetime dedicating 1st round picks to landing a physical forward who can score. And it's been a frightening uninterrupted series of busts.

We finally may have landed our unicorn in Slaf, but it took winning the lottery.
 
CH1 said:
How do you do that without having an influx of talent joining the draft ranks every year?

You say the biggest issue is contracts (I say it's not enough talent being produced for 32 teams)

Scarcity leads to desperation which leads to overpayment.

The reason teams are locking up Josh Anderson to ridiculous 7 x 5.5M contracts is that they have no confidence in landing an 18 goal scorer with physicality anywhere but the top of the draft.

I realize Josh was a 5th rounder but teams know that's a rare lotto ticket that pays out.

Look at the Habs...they have spent a lot of your lifetime dedicating 1st round picks to landing a physical forward who can score. And it's been a frightening uninterrupted series of busts.

We finally may have landed our unicorn in Slaf, but it took winning the lottery.
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I completely agree with you about the lack of influx talent. My issue with contracts is about how it handcuffs teams and players. Anderson and Gallagher are not working out for us anymore, the team is unhappy and unable to progress because of their contracts, and the players are miserable too. Cut them loose, take your loss, and let them find a team that could use them, without having to take an outsized penalty handcuffing the team for years. This would lead to more movement for players that are in a bad situation. It won’t fix all the teams fighting for the few talented players available but at least it would remove the ball and chain.

It would also open up the trade market for teams more willing to take chances, which would help for the distribution of talent available.

I don’t have a fix for generating better players, but we can fix teams operations and flexibility.
 
I think the draft would work way better if they upped the age...

one of the reason the NFL works, is that players enter the league fully formed at 21+...ready to contribute while they make rookie wages

nobody talks about "rushing players" in that league except for QBs...
 
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