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Core 4 No More: The Motherfucking Off-Season Thread

LeafOfFaith said:
If you're trying to say that Woll is injury prone, I think his shit has been pretty flukey.

And I'm not trading Marner for him, so...
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Fucking incredible you think you can pick and choose which cases of injury proneness are fluky and which are detrimental towards a players career.

Its simple, you dont want to trade Marner, so Theodore is injury prone.

You really like Woll and dont want to spend big dollars on a goalie, which helps justifying you keeping your robot bitch and his 11M on the roster, so it's flukey
 
what people don't understand about the woll deal is that he would demand more money if he has a great season next season. it is wiser to lock him up before he breaks out and demands $5+ in arb. i also think people don't realize he isn't an RFA now, he is an RFA next year. his new contract won't start until 2025. worst case scenario is he plays below average and isn't worth his salary but moving money isn't hard in the nhl and he is young enough to have some team try to rehabilitate him. furthermore, the cap is going to rise by a few million every year, so $4 mil in a $92 - $100 mil dollar salary cap is not a big issue
 
Eh, I don't think anyone doesn't "understand" that. It's that they look at a guy whose only real NHL sample to date is 25 games of .907 play but includes 2 significant injuries and would rather ride out this year on his existing deal and make him show us that he can play 40-50 games and be good in them.

Let him have a good year and demand more money. As a RFA there's only so much demanding he was going to be able to do.

The two most recent arby awards for goalies were Samsonov and Swayman. Samsonov was coming off of a .919 in 42 games, with ~150 career games played and got awarded 1 x 3.55 million. Swayman coming off of a .916 got 1 x 3.45

Gustavsson was coming off of a .93fucking1 season and avoided arby by signing a 3/11.25....which sounds like what we've just jumped to with Woll, without actually making him play his way into it.

Fwiw, Gustavsson is a good cautionary tale as well. Instead of just taking the 1 yr arby award that would have been somewhere around 1 x 3.65 or so, they locked him in for 3 years and he sucked in the 1st yr of the deal. He would be signing a cheap 1 yr show me deal right now instead of being locked in for 2 more at 3.75

If you're dealing with an unknown commodity and you have time/RFA years, use them. It's one thing if the guy has a track record of a few solid years in a row (Swayman, for example). But a goalie giving you a really good 30-40 games just isn't a reason to throw term at them.
 
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rent free said:
he doesn't get 0 next year, he will go to arb next season
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Then let him. Recent goalie arby awards for seasons much better than the one Woll just had has been less money than it sounds like the Leafs are about to give him.

If he's coming off of a bad, injury filled season, his case in arby is pretty shit and we're getting him for 1.5-2 million instead of ~3.75
 
Has anyone here ever complicated a Dubas goalie decision? I'm serious. I don't think I've seen it. Maybe the Campbell trade?

I think it's just projection. If Dubas signed Woll to this contract rent free would be shitting on him.
 
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