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Habs Season Thread: 2024-25 Regular Season

Habsy said:
There's no issue with the Armia contract. It has never hampered the Habs cap and he's a hell of a support player. An absolute beast on the boards.
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And Evans is (1) a centre and (2) better. 3.5 is no out of line for him, even if Armia’s deal was too rich. They are not linked.
 
lecoqsportif said:
And Evans is (1) a centre and (2) better. 3.5 is no out of line for him, even if Armia’s deal was too rich. They are not linked.
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That's the thing with contracts though isn't it? Some you know are bad on the back end but with rising caps some get better on the back end. You can't have it only one way in analysis. I agree at the beginning Armia's might have been a tad rich but in today's market it's not.

$3.5m for Evans is a bargain for a third line center which he would be on most teams in the league. We have the luxury of playing him on the "fourth" line however he is a third line center production and defensive wise. He's also a premier penalty killer that can score shorties.

He's also an honest player, which goes a long way with me, he realizes what it took to get where he is and gives you an honest shift every time.

I would rather keep the devil we know than take a flier on a new guy. Beck is not ready to take his place, yet. The way I see it Evans replaces Dvorak nicely and Beck slots in the fourth line until ready to take over. That could be a couple of years at least. Once he's ready and Evans declines you drop Evans to fourth again, or trade him, and promote Beck.

Hage is 3-4 years out.
 
Habsy said:
There's no issue with the Armia contract. It has never hampered the Habs cap and he's a hell of a support player. An absolute beast on the boards.
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His contract like others didnt hamper the Habs during their shit years

Now as we are turning the corner those secondary contracts are the ones that kill your cap

Cant get into round 2 like Nero " whats an extra 500k-1 mil or a year or 2 "
 
GEEMAN said:
His contract like others didnt hamper the Habs during their shit years

Now as we are turning the corner those secondary contracts are the ones that kill your cap

Cant get into round 2 like Nero " whats an extra 500k-1 mil or a year or 2 "
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Who replaces Evans @3m?
 
Habsy said:
Who replaces Evans @3m?
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Evans is the one I'd keep. 3 by 3.5 is fine by me. Dvorak can go. Armia can probably go too

Suzuki
Dach
Evans
Beck
Kap

I'm not opposed to
Suzuki
Dach
Beck
Kap

If Evans is getting 4 years at big money.

I'm largely ignoring next year and looking at the Habs 2, 3,4 years from now.
 
The fourth line (I'd argue they're really the third line) and Hutson have pushed the Habs into a playoff spot. That can't be ignored.
 
worm said:
Evans is the one I'd keep. 3 by 3.5 is fine by me. Dvorak can go. Armia can probably go too

Suzuki
Dach
Evans
Beck
Kap

I'm not opposed to
Suzuki
Dach
Beck
Kap

If Evans is getting 4 years at big money.

I'm largely ignoring next year and looking at the Habs 2, 3,4 years from now.
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Now look at it from a GM/Ownership lens. Beck and Kap simply don't have the experience Jake has, especially in playoffs. It took Jake years to get here and I'm thinking this isn't a one off, it looks like he's finally figured out the right balance.

Dumping him and replacing him with a rookie only to take a step back next season won't play well with fans and ownership.

The cap will be 100 mil within two years. $4m is 4%. That's not high for a third line center.

@ $3.5 mil for four years it's the right move. Now if he wants 5 x 5 then you have to seriously consider trading him at deadline. The smart move is to find out now, not later.
 
Habsy said:
That's the thing with contracts though isn't it? Some you know are bad on the back end but with rising caps some get better on the back end. You can't have it only one way in analysis. I agree at the beginning Armia's might have been a tad rich but in today's market it's not.

$3.5m for Evans is a bargain for a third line center which he would be on most teams in the league. We have the luxury of playing him on the "fourth" line however he is a third line center production and defensive wise. He's also a premier penalty killer that can score shorties.

He's also an honest player, which goes a long way with me, he realizes what it took to get where he is and gives you an honest shift every time.

I would rather keep the devil we know than take a flier on a new guy. Beck is not ready to take his place, yet. The way I see it Evans replaces Dvorak nicely and Beck slots in the fourth line until ready to take over. That could be a couple of years at least. Once he's ready and Evans declines you drop Evans to fourth again, or trade him, and promote Beck.

Hage is 3-4 years out.
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A rising cap means nothing if your giving every nickel back to the players , and you leave yourself with no flexibility and more importantly have no value contracts .

It works when you have Nate/Rants/ and Makar on the books on value contracts then you can add a Manson or Lek with the savings and win a cup.

It works when you have Hughes and Bratt until the next decade at 16 mil when the cap hits 110 + mil

Evans is fine but sorry 3.5-4 mil is no bargain especially when the Habs need to fix their core with more pure talent and Hutson needs a new contact .

As you said at some point dropping Evans to the fourth line is a gross overpayment when players are looking for work in August at minimum
wage.

Here is a small example of cap issues

Bruins - Brazeau/Geekie/Kopke/Kastelic ...... 26g /32A ....58 points at 5 mil total
Habs - Anderson/Gally/Dvo/Armia ......... 26G/37A .. 63 points at 20 mil

You dont need to blow your brains out on secondary players
 
Habsy said:
Now look at it from a GM/Ownership lens. Beck and Kap simply don't have the experience Jake has, especially in playoffs. It took Jake years to get here and I'm thinking this isn't a one off, it looks like he's finally figured out the right balance.

Dumping him and replacing him with a rookie only to take a step back next season won't play well with fans and ownership.

The cap will be 100 mil within two years. $4m is 4%. That's not high for a third line center.

@ $3.5 mil for four years it's the right move. Now if he wants 5 x 5 then you have to seriously consider trading him at deadline. The smart move is to find out now, not later.
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I'm too lazy but really we should be looking at salaries as a percent of cap.

I'd love to keep Evans for 2 years. Obviously that won't work though.

Definitely understand the urge to not move back next year. But there is a balance between that and what we look like in 3 years.

Evans staying healthy is key. His shooting percentage isn't real though. A 30 point centre that kills penalties is definitely valuable. I don't think he is more than that though

Ideally we trade Dvorak at the deadline and get beck up here to see what we got in him.
 
GEEMAN said:
A rising cap means nothing if your giving every nickel back to the players , and you leave yourself with no flexibility and more importantly have no value contracts .
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Uh, the cap goes to the players, not the owners. Solid ass talking there.
GEEMAN said:
It works when you have Nate/Rants/ and Makar on the books on value contracts then you can add a Manson or Lek with the savings and win a cup.
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We don't have those guys hence you spread the money around to better tier two players.
GEEMAN said:
It works when you have Hughes and Bratt until the next decade at 16 mil when the cap hits 110 + mil
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Which we don't. Go be a Devils fan or stick to your PS5
GEEMAN said:
Evans is fine but sorry 3.5-4 mil is no bargain especially when the Habs need to fix their core with more pure talent and Hutson needs a new contact .
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Why does everything have to be a bargain to you? It's not good business to undermine employee value at every step.
GEEMAN said:
As you said at some point dropping Evans to the fourth line is a gross overpayment when players are looking for work in August at minimum
wage.
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Your assumption that all players willing to work cheaper are equivalent is a gross miscalculation and simply a fallacy. Experience and skills vary.
GEEMAN said:
Here is a small example of cap issues

Bruins - Brazeau/Geekie/Kopke/Kastelic ...... 26g /32A ....58 points at 5 mil total
Habs - Anderson/Gally/Dvo/Armia ......... 26G/37A ..63
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This is a cherry picking joke right? We all know the line of 11-28-17 is our bad contract line and if they could be dumped for cheaper alternatives they would be.

You continue to express unrealistic opinions to the state of the NHL landscape and teams and portray a fanboy type fantasy hockey world. Be real for once. Not everything in life can be had at a bargain and your continual wont for cheaper replacements is not how you win a cup. you keep pointing to a Boston team that hasn't won shit in 14 years and is in a rapid decline doing precisely what you're recommending.

I reject your continual spendthrift analyses and find them extremely banal. Even if the Habs did what you want and proved you wrong in doing it you'd just move the goalposts. Again.
 
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