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They need to make it crystal clear to everyone who is even interested in listening that this occupation is no longer about vaccines or mandates, it’s about unseating the government and replacing them with a committee of US stooges. That’s how you get the public will to start rounding them up and driving their trucks into the river.
 
hockeylover said:
The most concerning thing to me is the amount of clips I've seen with huge amounts of fuel being brought in and very little being done to stop it. Amount of large vehicles being involved near the capitol is pretty concerning too really re: potential for vehicle attacks, etc. I'm stunned they've let this go this far.
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Yes, they need to cut these fuckers off from their supply lines. No jerry cans of fuel should be getting in. Let all the trucks run out of gas and that's one problem solved. Do not allow them to resupply.
 
Preston said:
Admittedly I haven't followed it much but it doesn't seem like there's too much of a cohesive theme or reasoning for the protest. I track that dude I knew from high school who is one of the leading Canadian "patriots" (it fascinates me deeply to get into their heads) and he's all over the place. What is it about exactly?
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Trudeau Derangement Syndrome. Both Justin and his dad have been living rent free inside the heads of Westerners for 50 years. That's all this is about, all it was ever about.
 
anne25 said:
Trudeau does not have to negotiate with them but as the PM of all Canadians he or one of his representative should at least be able to listen to a few representative from the less looney fringe protesters without resorting to name calling.

It would also help If the protest wasn’t receiving so much outside support not just financially but also from the general public. Most average people do not support these blockades but there is a very significant number who do and agree with the general idea of removing most restrictions.
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They are ALL looney.

These people have been indulged enough and their privilege needs to end now. Call in the troops and start cracking skulls. The people who are protesting already don't vote Liberal, so there aren't any votes to lose here.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Trudeau Derangement Syndrome. Both Justin and his dad have been living rent free inside the heads of Westerners for 50 years. That's all this is about, all it was ever about.
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Yeah I think that's the main bit. That group of people just seem a lot more passionate about politics than me. They worship some politicians like Trump and Bernier while absolutely despising others. Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see anyone worship Trudeau. He's sexy as fuck but that's about it really. Folks just sort of deal with him.
 
manny said:
Yeah, I don’t know if it’s even possible. But if Trudeau or someone else actually made a show of engaging someone who happened to be reasonable, it would go some way to undermining this stupid shit show coup attempt. He could just basically say what he said in his speech yesterday: “we’re all sick of the pandemic and the restrictions. We can’t wait to be able to remove all public health measures. We’re being guided by the science. But we hear you. Thanks, and now please go home.”

You obviously can’t deliver that message to the guys who want the Governor General to dissolve the government.
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The only thing Trudeau should be saying to these people is to get the fuck out of Ottawa or he's going to put his foot up their collective ass. These right wing nutters only understand force. They are bullies and a bully only understands and respects one thing: a fist in the face.
 
Preston said:
Yeah I think that's the main bit. That group of people just seem a lot more passionate about politics than me. They worship some politicians like Trump and Bernier while absolutely despising others. Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see anyone worship Trudeau. He's sexy as fuck but that's about it really. Folks just sort of deal with him.
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the haters hate him on a magnitude far greater than his lovers love him
 
Wayward DP said:
the haters hate him on a magnitude far greater than his lovers love him
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I get that it's expected that extremists are way more passionate towards their position than someone like me, but damn there's a level of rage there that frightens me. The "community" that these guys have on social media is scary (but also addicting as shit and I love lurking into their world; sue me).
 
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Wayward DP said:
the haters hate him on a magnitude far greater than his lovers love him
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It's also different in how they love them. Like, back when this was legal, Trudeau showing up at a place would get a bunch of people wanting to shake his hand or grab selfies with him. But like, that was it. Trudeau hats don't become a statement of being. They like him like a celebrity, like if Tom Hanks was in town. The Trump crowd though acts like he's the Pope or the second coming.

I do think when Polievre wins the CPC leadership race, we need to try with all our might to make sure all his branding is "PP". So at least if I have to deal with idiots idolizing him, I can snicker inside when I see people walk down the street with their PP Hat on.
 
Preston said:
I get that it's expected that extremists are way more passionate towards their position than someone like me, but damn there's a level of rage there that frightens me. The "community" that these guys have on social media is scary (but also addicting as shit and I love lurking into there world; sue me).
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agreed. the anger and hatred is bizarre and disconcerting.
 
Preston said:
I get that it's expected that extremists are way more passionate towards their position than someone like me, but damn there's a level of rage there that frightens me. The "community" that these guys have on social media is scary (but also addicting as shit and I love lurking into there world; sue me).
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They should be more mad at their political party (the Cons for example) keep selecting awful leaders that can't beat a political lightweight like Justin.
 
I think they are the fundamental problem.

O’Toole tried to ride the tiger, at times he even hinted at truth to power. He fell off and was eaten.

If they choose Real Believer, they will likely hand the Liberals a majority.
 
UWHabs said:
It's also different in how they love them. Like, back when this was legal, Trudeau showing up at a place would get a bunch of people wanting to shake his hand or grab selfies with him. But like, that was it. Trudeau hats don't become a statement of being. They like him like a celebrity, like if Tom Hanks was in town. The Trump crowd though acts like he's the Pope or the second coming.

I do think when Polievre wins the CPC leadership race, we need to try with all our might to make sure all his branding is "PP". So at least if I have to deal with idiots idolizing him, I can snicker inside when I see people walk down the street with their PP Hat on.
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They're broken people with daddy issues generally. They aggressively seek father figures and aggressively seek scapegoats (because of the rage built up in them from getting bullied at school and/or having daddy issues?).


And then there's the other bit that many are simply clinically psychotic.
 
Getting weird... I have nothing against the protest as it was initially intended (and most folks who just wanted to stand up and voice their displeasure have made their donations and or already gone home). Message heard, loud and clear. Glad you got it out of your system.

But there is no "negotiating" here. You really think the leader of a wealthy country needs to sitdown with a small group of unhappy workers because they're sad that they can't travel across an international border? Do they think Trudeau has the power to influence the Americans enough to remove their mandates too?

These folks are convinced that they will be locked-down forever - that the government is punishing them for not being vaccinated. They need to know that the mandates will be lifted, and what needs to happen before the world gets there - whether it's vaccination rates, hospitalization rates, whatever measurable data is to be used. They don't get to be decision makers, but they need important information to put some of these fears at ease.
 
Nothing can get through the fear. Facts and assurances fall on deaf ears.

The leaders of this protest don’t care about the truckers or COVID. They are lunatics, racists and violent arseholes (e.g. lobby fire) who hijacked the convoy.
 
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lecoqsportif said:
Nothing can get through the fear. Facts and assurances fall on deaf ears.

The leaders of this protest don’t care about the truckers or COVID. They are lunatics, racists and violent arseholes (e.g. lobby fire) and who hijacked the convoy.
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Yeah, if this was just the truckers complaining about that rule, or even that plus just general folk who are tired of restrictions and want a plan for lifting them, then there'd be something. But once you start talking about overthrowing the government, and the real fringe looneys not only join in but essentially are in charge of the group, it's a lost cause to attempt to deal with them.
 
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