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MindzEye said:
I think the culture that has grown up around the angst is a force multiplier, but it's not the root cause imo. It's that young men have been left behind by society and shitty sub cultures have been more than happy to embrace them, tell them it's not their fault and redirect the angst.

This generation of young men are paying for the cultural transgressions of previous generations of men, and they're mad about it. They're comparitively uneducated, over medicated, under employed, and less wealthy in a world that has gotten far more expensive.

I think about how fortunate I was to buy a house during basically the last era that home ownership was relatively affordable, and what that's done to the trajectory of my financial life. I absolutely couldn't fucking imagine being 10 years younger and trying to do it in 2023 instead of 2013 like I did. My home doubled in value over the next ~7 years and then when I sold that and bought again, the home we bought next has gone up ~30% since we bought in like 2020. I would be pretty angry too if I came of age at a time where a starter house in a bedroom community 1 hr from Toronto was 600-700K and my options to keep my mortgage under 2500 a month today would basically be a small condo instead of the 3bed, 2 bath corner lot with a pool that I bought by myself in 2013 for 1600 a month with property taxes incl. Securing that was the single biggest reason my financial future is secure, I was able to change careers to something I enjoy more, etc. Missing out on that would have sucked, and I was already one of the lucky ones from an employment standpoint. Honestly don't even want to think about how grim coming through 10 yrs later would have looked like.

So yeah, young men are listening to the only people speaking to their problems. Those people just happen to be the worst among us. You want a civilization to collapse in a hurry? Let an entire generation of young men feel left out of society.
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Where is this 600-700k starter home? That's what I paid in 2019 and it's up 70% since then. Friend just bought a townhouse for 800k+.

600k might get you a house in East Hamilton near Tim Hortons field
 
trujaysfan said:
Where is this 600-700k starter home? That's what I paid in 2019 and it's up 70% since then. Friend just bought a townhouse for 800k+.

600k might get you a house in East Hamilton near Tim Hortons field
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Curious what the rural / urban split it with the trump boys. I'm guessing it is more rural where homes are cheaper.
 
worm said:
Are women not buying houses?
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Yes, but they're doing so while significantly more educated and significantly more likely to be in a couple while doing so. So they're more likely to be able to afford one, even in this wildly priced market.

University graduation rates in Canada have been 60F/40M for a while now (5-7 yrs+) and women between 25-35 are about 1.5x more likely to be married than similar aged men. We're also about a generation deep into realizing that women are far less likely to cohabitate with a man less educated/wealthy than she is, than a man is in doing the same so we're in a cycle of more and more educated women staying single income because fewer and fewer suitable partners exist for them.

This isn't a "lol chicks, amirite?" rant. For generations women were under educated, under paid, under appreciated, overly sexualized, overly abused, etc. A lot of fantastic work was done to indentify the reason for those gaps and close a lot of them (no, not all). But while doing that, some gaps opened up on the other end and now we have a generation of young men who are under educated, under employed and have had cultural force multipliers put in their hands since they were old enough to. They're now the crypto bros, Elon fanboys, incels, hustle culture idiots, Andrew Tate subscribers, etc and they exist in fairly large numbers. Large enough to decide elections.

Just like male dominated society was fucking stupid when they promoted ideas that women were too weak to "X" as an excuse to hold them back for...well..fucking forever, we would be wrong to do similar to young men now because a large chunk of a generation of them have appeared to turn out pretty shit. Society fucked up somewhere and as important as it is to give young women opportunities, it's legitimately existential to democracy for young men to have positive outlets for their energies.
 
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lecoqsportif said:
Needs splits on education - that’s driving the #s in the US. Not sure if that’s the case here.

Housing is a big issue. Getting on the real estate ladder is brutal if the Bank of Mom and Dad doesn’t pitch in, and when it f do it’s it really exacerbates the prosperity gap.
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65/35 in the US, 60/40 here.

Better, but still bad and it compounds on the cultural side with relationship preferences by gender.
 
MindzEye said:
Yes, but they're doing so while significantly more educated and significantly more likely to be in a couple while doing so. So they're more likely to be able to afford one, even in this wildly priced market.

University graduation rates in Canada have been 60F/40M for a while now (5-7 yrs+) and women between 25-35 are about 1.5x more likely to be married than similar aged men. We're also about a generation deep into realizing that women are far less likely to cohabitate with a man less educated/wealthy than she is, than a man is in doing the same so we're in a cycle of more and more educated women staying single income because fewer and fewer suitable partners exist for them.

This isn't a "lol chicks, amirite?" rant. For generations women were under educated, under paid, under appreciated, overly sexualized, overly abused, etc. A lot of fantastic work was done to indentify the reason for those gaps and close a lot of them (no, not all). But while doing that, some gaps opened up on the other end and now we have a generation of young men who are under educated, under employed and have had cultural force multipliers put in their hands since they were old enough to. They're now the crypto bros, Elon fanboys, incels, hustle culture idiots, Andrew Tate subscribers, etc and they exist in fairly large numbers. Large enough to decide elections.

Just like male dominated society was fucking stupid when they promoted ideas that women were too weak to "X" as an excuse to hold them back for...well..fucking forever, we would be wrong to do similar to young men now because a large chunk of a generation of them have appeared to turn out pretty shit. Society fucked up somewhere and as important as it is to give young women opportunities, it's legitimately existential to democracy for young men to have positive outlets for their energies.
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Chicks amrite?
 
MindzEye said:
Yes, but they're doing so while significantly more educated and significantly more likely to be in a couple while doing so. So they're more likely to be able to afford one, even in this wildly priced market.

University graduation rates in Canada have been 60F/40M for a while now (5-7 yrs+) and women between 25-35 are about 1.5x more likely to be married than similar aged men. We're also about a generation deep into realizing that women are far less likely to cohabitate with a man less educated/wealthy than she is, than a man is in doing the same so we're in a cycle of more and more educated women staying single income because fewer and fewer suitable partners exist for them.

This isn't a "lol chicks, amirite?" rant. For generations women were under educated, under paid, under appreciated, overly sexualized, overly abused, etc. A lot of fantastic work was done to indentify the reason for those gaps and close a lot of them (no, not all). But while doing that, some gaps opened up on the other end and now we have a generation of young men who are under educated, under employed and have had cultural force multipliers put in their hands since they were old enough to. They're now the crypto bros, Elon fanboys, incels, hustle culture idiots, Andrew Tate subscribers, etc and they exist in fairly large numbers. Large enough to decide elections.

Just like male dominated society was fucking stupid when they promoted ideas that women were too weak to "X" as an excuse to hold them back for...well..fucking forever, we would be wrong to do similar to young men now because a large chunk of a generation of them have appeared to turn out pretty shit. Society fucked up somewhere and as important as it is to give young women opportunities, it's legitimately existential to democracy for young men to have positive outlets for their energies.what do you think
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A lot of us watched our mothers and grandmothers take a lot of shit from their partners bc they lacked financial freedom. And yeah instead of just… being better partners?? a lot of men turned to anger peddling podcasters and influencers. I dunno that they’re really victims of society, seems to absolve them of personal responsibility.
 
I'm not really sure young men have it so bad. At least not compared to young women.

I'd have to see an urban / rural split to see it tied to housing costs.

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...hic-groups-helped-trump-win-the-2024-election

Seems to be the biggest divide is urban vs rural. My Google skills suck and I couldn't find the #crosstabs

My conclusion, it isn't housing... it is not being able to rape as easily #vibes
 
hockeylover said:
A lot of us watched our mothers and grandmothers take a lot of shit from their partners bc they lacked financial freedom. And yeah instead of just… being better partners?? a lot of men turned to anger peddling podcasters and influencers. I dunno that they’re really victims of society, seems to absolve them of personal responsibility.
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Agreed.

If anything it is a classic example of equality feeling like oppression to the privledged
 
hockeylover said:
I would probably agree that a lot of young men weren’t given the tools to be good partners. If anything that’s how society has failed them.

But if you went full Andrew Tate incel bro in response to us having more freedoms that’s another story.
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Pretty sure me too, BLM, and covid broke a lot of male brains.
 
MindzEye said:
Yes, but they're doing so while significantly more educated and significantly more likely to be in a couple while doing so. So they're more likely to be able to afford one, even in this wildly priced market.

University graduation rates in Canada have been 60F/40M for a while now (5-7 yrs+) and women between 25-35 are about 1.5x more likely to be married than similar aged men. We're also about a generation deep into realizing that women are far less likely to cohabitate with a man less educated/wealthy than she is, than a man is in doing the same so we're in a cycle of more and more educated women staying single income because fewer and fewer suitable partners exist for them.

This isn't a "lol chicks, amirite?" rant. For generations women were under educated, under paid, under appreciated, overly sexualized, overly abused, etc. A lot of fantastic work was done to indentify the reason for those gaps and close a lot of them (no, not all). But while doing that, some gaps opened up on the other end and now we have a generation of young men who are under educated, under employed and have had cultural force multipliers put in their hands since they were old enough to. They're now the crypto bros, Elon fanboys, incels, hustle culture idiots, Andrew Tate subscribers, etc and they exist in fairly large numbers. Large enough to decide elections.

Just like male dominated society was fucking stupid when they promoted ideas that women were too weak to "X" as an excuse to hold them back for...well..fucking forever, we would be wrong to do similar to young men now because a large chunk of a generation of them have appeared to turn out pretty shit. Society fucked up somewhere and as important as it is to give young women opportunities, it's legitimately existential to democracy for young men to have positive outlets for their energies.
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Also, all the women have cocks now.
 
hockeylover said:
A lot of us watched our mothers and grandmothers take a lot of shit from their partners bc they lacked financial freedom. And yeah instead of just… being better partners?? a lot of men turned to anger peddling podcasters and influencers. I dunno that they’re really victims of society, seems to absolve them of personal responsibility.
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Hey, shit on the 40-50 yr old+ class of men for that. Well deserved, and you won't get an argument from me. But those guys aren't the 20-35 yr olds that have tilted to the right pretty much everywhere in the western world.
 
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