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I mean, we do "draft them" already, but we start at 4 years old and it turns out that a lot of what we're trying to teach them is actually the reason why they're struggling in life. More of that same paternalism probably isn't the solution.

I don't see mandatory national service being the answer for any of the parties involved. International militaries are moving towards drones, mechanization and AI...a bucket load of expensive to feed, cloth, house and pay 18 yr old privates with rifles marching up and down the square is long dead and gone. Being held back 2 years from education is the best way to take a cohort already losing to women in educational outcome and put them even further back and now our frustrated young men will be further behind, but in better shape and better with weapons.

Hard pass.

Fuck, spend the same money and just make college/university free.
I agree on the free university. And in other countries national service isn't just military training. It can be other forms of service. But mostly theu need to be taught the coping skills and critical thinking skills that they are not getting in school.
 
The way to deal with young men with anger issues is to just tell them to suck it up and force them to join the military!! Oooookayyy.
No. They need to be taught the coping mechanisms and critical thinking skills necessary to deal wirh their anger issues. And when I talk about national service I'm not necessarily talking about the army. But definitely mandatory.
 
And in other countries national service isn't just military training. It can be other forms of service. But mostly theu need to be taught the coping skills and critical thinking skills that they are not getting in school.

Then how about we just teach those skills in school?

I mean, part of the problem is that our education systems struggle dealing with the energy of young boys and it leads to a pattern of behavior that ends in lesser outcomes:


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I may well be wrong, but I think we have a much better developed college system? So our “60” is markedly different from their “65”.

Than the US? I doubt it. It's one of the few places they deep dick us is in quality of post secondary from what I understand.

But that number is male/female graduation split. 65% of grads in the US are female, 60% here.
 
Nah, they don't. That's the point. They can decide to help tear democracy down around our ears instead. Literally the worst thing a society can do is leave generations of young men adrift. It's societally existential.
They do need to because they are adrift and you and I both know that nothing substantial is going to be done about it. The world is not getting any less shitty
Quite the opposite. So we need to come up with more realistic methods. Compulsory national service, whatever that entails, is at least not leaving young men adrift. It is an acknowledgement of the fact that these young men are potentially ticking time bombs if we don't take them away from their coddling, clueless parents and pound some sense into them before they are lost to the Tates and Rogans.
 
Than the US? I doubt it. It's one of the few places they deep dick us is in quality of post secondary from what I understand.

But that number is male/female graduation split. 65% of grads in the US are female, 60% here.

No, I mean the junior/technical/career colleges.

Universities, yeah - they are easily the top dogs. I thinking more like Seneca, SAIT or the career CEGEPS in Quebec.

Edit: ah - I thought the split was % with 4 years degrees. So my question doesn’t work. Point being, do we do a better job with education for people who don’t pursue 4-year degrees?
 
Nah, they don't. That's the point. They can decide to help tear democracy down around our ears instead. Literally the worst thing a society can do is leave generations of young men adrift. It's societally existential.
I'm really struggling to see how they are left adrift

Post secondary Education? Women have out numbered men for a generation already

Women are still behind in the workplace
 
Then how about we just teach those skills in school?

I mean, part of the problem is that our education systems struggle dealing with the energy of young boys and it leads to a pattern of behavior that ends in lesser outcomes:


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We should but we don't and this isn't the first generation of kids who never learned such skills. Most of their teachers haven't learned them either.

Besides which, public schools are heavily politicized and schools are largely sausage factories. You don't need to learn much to graduate or at least be passed through the system. Those young men who fall through the cracks are the very ones who need these skills the most.
 
No, I mean the junior/technical/career colleges.

Universities, yeah - they are easily the top dogs. I thinking more like Seneca, SAIT or the career CEGEPS in Quebec.

Edit: ah - I thought the split was % with 4 years degrees. So my question doesn’t work. Point being, do we do a better job with education for people who don’t pursue 4-year degrees?

I've got no idea on that. Probably hard to find statistics given the various types of education are so different. But I think that it's likely that higher levels of educational attainment and annual earnings are pretty linear so even if that gap evens up at associates degrees/3 year college programs and downward, the "damage" is already done and then compounds with the bit about women typically being less willing to "date down".
 
Than the US? I doubt it. It's one of the few places they deep dick us is in quality of post secondary from what I understand.

But that number is male/female graduation split. 65% of grads in the US are female, 60% here.
I disagree. In the US, college, like everything else, is a racket. Most of the colleges and universities in the US are diploma mills or life support systems for their football teams. Their elite schools are indeed elite but thats a small minority.
 
yeah I can’t believe I have to say this but “suck it up and get through it” is not actually teaching anyone a coping skill.

and the generation that went to war fucked up their kids a lot. And then those kids fucked up their kids!
"Suck it up and cope" is the goal, not the method. There are skills one can learn to achieve this, but it's unlikely any public school is equipped to teach them.
 
I've got no idea on that. Probably hard to find statistics given the various types of education are so different. But I think that it's likely that higher levels of educational attainment and annual earnings are pretty linear so even if that gap evens up at associates degrees/3 year college programs and downward, the "damage" is already done and then compounds with the bit about women typically being less willing to "date down".
This is a massive cultural phenomenon in China fwiw. More boys born every year for decades now, but an epidemic of unmarried “leftover women” because educated women don’t want to date less educated men.

Surprisingly, mandatory military service has not solved the problem.
 
I'm really struggling to see how they are left adrift

Post secondary Education? Women have out numbered men for a generation already

Women are still behind in the workplace
It's the young men who aren't going to post secondary education for whatever reason, that are in Tate's target demographic. Trump loves the poorly educated after all.
 
I've got no idea on that. Probably hard to find statistics given the various types of education are so different. But I think that it's likely that higher levels of educational attainment and annual earnings are pretty linear so even if that gap evens up at associates degrees/3 year college programs and downward, the "damage" is already done and then compounds with the bit about women typically being less willing to "date down".
I dunno, I’ve dated a hell of a lot of guys who made less than me over the years and watched a lot of my friends do the same.

That wasn’t the part that was holding them back imo. It was lack of emotional intelligence.
 
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