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BeLeafer said:
I was looking at some of the signs those youngsters had today -- they're getting radicalized.
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I have a 16 yr old sister....yeah, her and her friends are way more aware of issues than we were when I was her age. They're no more aware of how "the real world" works than we were at that age, but they definitely seem keenly fucking aware that they're getting the shit end of the stick of the economy, the environment, etc. and they're not happy about it.
 
Personally, I've been pretty far to the left since I was about 16 -- and got my first Clash album. But I was in a screamingly small minority.

But, yeah, not a very well developed idea of how things work.
 
I was surprised a bit by (a) how many of them had these signs and (b) the way they were extending beyond just climate change and seeing broader environmental and sociopolitical things at play.
 
I think they're probably more worldly than we were at that age, to be honest. Being internetted in since birth just exposes them to so much more than we ever could be.
 
I mean, I first learned about the Spanish Civil War from London Calling, same with Nicaragua and Chile (Sandinista). I had to go to the library to learn more.
 
Yep.

And you couldn't witness arguments between political leaders and leading thinkers on Twitter back then m, either.
 
I feel bad for them really.

I didn't really start to care about the world at large until my early 20s. This poor generation is having this shit dumped on them are a really early age.
 
The other great thing about that protest is that those used to happen all the time 20+ years ago but kinda disappeared with the Patriot Act and the like introduced in most western countries after 9/11, including the ever expanding surveillance apparatus. A large part of that legislative initiative was to crack down on domestic protests/opposition. Seattle and Quebec City scared the poop out of them.
 
Last 5 polls on the poll tracker (every poll since sep25):

34L - 34C
36L - 33C
35L - 33C
36L - 34C
35L - 31C

35.2L - 33.0C

I'm actually surprised how quickly that scandal fizzled. This election is over I think.
 
zeke said:
Last 5 polls on the poll tracker (every poll since sep25):

34L - 34C
36L - 33C
35L - 33C
36L - 34C
35L - 31C

35.2L - 33.0C

I'm actually surprised how quickly that scandal fizzled. This election is over I think.
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it's not over until someone gets to 170.

Anything less and the trans mountain pipeline is going to cause a deadlock.
 
zeke said:
I think they're probably more worldly than we were at that age, to be honest. Being internetted in since birth just exposes them to so much more than we ever could be.
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I've been thinking about this and I don't think it's true. Yes, people have access to a much greater volume of information. But what about the quality of this information? There has been a near wholesale destruction of journalism over the past 30+ years. If I wanted to find out about whether the government was lying about what was going on in Nicaragua, there were journalists covering it (often risking their lives to do so). They weren't just covering it, there were news organizations (magazines and newspapers, particularly) that would have journalists on the ground living in these places to report on what was happening. That's just not really there any longer.
 
I'd liken this to what people do these days with political polls. It's fairly standard to think bigger sample = better. That's just not true, unfortunately. The quality of the data in the underlying sample matters a great deal. Like with media, there's a lot of dirt cheap content filling the air.
 
Ya I would agree with that, definitely more access to information, but information overload is definitely a thing, and there's a shit ton of misinformation.

And this could just be a stereotype, but it really feels like attention spans are shorter. Nobody is sitting down to read through long, well researched articles anymore. I see it a lot at work where I've recently become a manager with a team for the first time. Tell my team to review some documents and they seem to take this as "briefly skim until you're bored".
 
BeLeafer said:
I've been thinking about this and I don't think it's true. Yes, people have access to a much greater volume of information. But what about the quality of this information? There has been a near wholesale destruction of journalism over the past 30+ years. If I wanted to find out about whether the government was lying about what was going on in Nicaragua, there were journalists covering it (often risking their lives to do so). They weren't just covering it, there were news organizations (magazines and newspapers, particularly) that would have journalists on the ground living in these places to report on what was happening. That's just not really there any longer.
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The printing press also allowed for an explosion in bad information and bad opinions, but the giant leap forward occurred nevertheless.
 
Remember, learning to sort out the bullshit is pretty much the definition of "worldliness", so being exposed to more of it earlier on is still a good thing, not a bad thing.

It's the generations that have been forced to learn the internet in midlife that are taken in by all the fake news - the kids born into this information tsunami are learning to see through it from a very young age.
 
This is not a misstep. This is well calculated. He doesnt want to lose his base by supporting the left in anyway

 
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