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one of the central problems of the moment is that people simply don't understand that all right wing policy arguments at the moment are delivered in bad faith.
 
sadly the 'right wing' has been coopted by grifters, thieves, etc. progressives have long ago been forced out of modern conservative movements, and they just keep pandering to the base which they keep moving further away from the mainstream.

it's a fucked up cycle, most visible in the United States.

it's funny. on the one hand I am concerned about Trudeau's spend happy ways and perpetual deficits. on the other hand, there was literally not a single option on the ballot other than Bernier that was promising a return to balanced budgets (Scheer may have several years out? but who was buying that...). what does a fiscal conservative do other than slap their forehead in frustration? (for clarity, I'm not pretending to be a fiscal conservative, but I know they exist).

actual conservatism isn't really anywhere to be found in our political discourse anymore.
 
worm said:
everybody seems to think that a pipeline is going to fix oil in alberta and return us to a boom economy....and the only thing standing in the way is Trudeau
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I would rather see upgraders and refineries built than a pipeline.
 
HabsFan1 said:
I would rather see upgraders and refineries built than a pipeline.
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I don't know if billions of dollars in infrastructure that will takes decades to recoup the cost on is the best move here. There's a reason that the oil companies aren't ponying up their money for it.
 
it's like because Trudeau is in office Kenney doesn't need to actually try to do anything to improve the economy, he can just bleat on about how Trudeau and his carbon tax are killing jobs.
 
MindzEye said:
I don't know if billions of dollars in infrastructure that will takes decades to recoup the cost on is the best move here. There's a reason that the oil companies aren't ponying up their money for it.
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I truly believe they would if it was cost effective to do business in Canada. But maybe I’m wrong. But I also think theirs no reason why we can’t supply Irving refinery with our own oil in the very least.

I just hate the idea of shipping raw product out.
 
HabsFan1 said:
I truly believe they would if it was cost effective to do business in Canada. But maybe I’m wrong.
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It's not about it being cost effective now, it's about the outlay of money in the 10 figures that is dependent upon high oil prices to ever realize profit on. Oil companies aren't bullish on their market going forward, look at the exit of a couple of the foreign players from the sands over the last few years (Shell sold most of their holding and lease rights to CNRL, Total cancelled a big ass project, Conoco is out, Marathon is out). Heading to the exits started well before the troubles with transmountain, and quite a bit of it pre dated the Trudeau years.

A number of oil companies (specifically Shell) are in the process of pivoting to renewables. That's not a Canadian issue, that's an international oil market issue.

But I also think theirs no reason why we can’t supply Irving refinery with our own oil in the very least.
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Irving would have to spend huge dollars to upgrade their refinery for it to matter much. They do about 320,000 barrels a day with their facility just not set up to do much more than 100K of heavier crude. Would take huge investment to change the math very much. Shit, even if they did that...320K more barrels going for something closer to market rate isn't changing much there man.

I just hate the idea of shipping raw product out.
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I get that, but the economics of refining in Canada just aren't there. The time for the investment in refineries was 30 years ago.
 
Wayward DP said:
actual conservatism isn't really anywhere to be found in our political discourse anymore.
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yup.

and conservatives talking about debts was THE original bad faith argument from way back when. they never cared about debts. just spending cuts.

that's why they dont' even see the hilarity in starting off every Debt argument with a Tax Cut.
 
Shell is heavily focusing on hydrogen extraction at the moment. They have been for years but recently pumped a ton into R&D

It won’t come fruition for a while but when the time comes to switch to hydrogen based energy they will be ready to take in billions
 
Trudeau's first press conference -- pandering to the right. Shocking development. Neoliberal tax cuts and expanding the subsidization of big oil.

www.thestar.com

Trudeau commits to Trans Mountain pipeline and cutting income tax

A chastened prime minister said he would adopt a conciliatory approach to governing with a minority mandate and said his cabinet will be unveiled on Nov. 20.
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If this is what they plan on doing, we might be back at the polls in a few months.
 
The central issue for me is how do we move forward in a way that responds to the concerns that Albertans and Saskatchewanians have clearly expressed.
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After reading the stuff posted here from people out that way, this is more than just a little concerning.

They are once again going to take Toronto for granted (who can blame them with all the idiots who keep voting for them in these parts) and lurch to the right in an attempt to repair their electoral hopes in the west. Fuck you very much.
 
Our conservatives really aren't that different from the conservatives south of us...

www.nationalobserver.com

Misleading election day robocalls linked to third-party Canada Strong and Proud

Voters in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Quebec received robocalls telling them the election was a day later than it actually is.
www.nationalobserver.com www.nationalobserver.com

Voters in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Quebec have reported receiving robocalls that told them the federal election would take place on a day other than Monday, Elections Canada said.


Polls close Monday night across Canada, but the calls incorrectly said voting would happen on Tuesday.


"We have no indication these calls are widespread," said Elections Canada in a statement.

Some of the calls have been traced back to a network of right-wing third-party political groups called Canada Strong and Proud, CBC News reported.


Headed by Newfoundlander Chris Russell, the Canada Strong and Proud network includes a national flagship called Proud to be Canadian and regional affiliates like New Brunswick Proud, Ontario Strong, Quebec Fier and Alberta Proud. (A separate network of Prouds that includes Canada Proud, Ontario Proud and BC Proud is not related to Canada Strong and Proud).


The Canada Strong and Proud groups mainly operate as social media pages, which pump out anti-Liberal and NDP memes through Facebook. Some of the groups in the network have also conducted polls via mass-text message.
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But Mindz, you say, that's just some weirdo random social media jerkoff group...and I ask you, are they really?

From October 3rd


The Manning Centre is a driving financial force behind a network of anti-Liberal Facebook pages pumping out political messaging and memes during the federal election campaign.

The Calgary-based organization, launched in 2005 by Reform Party founder Preston Manning, gave a total of $312,450 to a network of related third-party advertising groups that operate on Facebook and Instagram.

In most cases, the centre was the sole donor listed by those groups in disclosure forms filed with Elections Canada.

The bulk of the Manning Centre's contributions — $240,500 — went to Canada Strong and Proud, the network's national politics-focused page.

That page is affiliated with a series of provincial pages, including New Brunswick Proud, Nova Scotia Proud, NL Strong and Quebec Fier — all of which got Manning Centre funding.

Alberta Proud, BC Strong and Ontario Strong are also part of the family of organizations. The various groups often post and share similar contents and ads.
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The Manning centre, of course, has refused to release information on where they got the 300K that they funneled to groups breaking our election laws.
 
Um, if someone was unaware of the election date and easily duped into thinking it was another day ... do you really think: a) there's many of these people, and; b) you want them to vote?
 
A) No idea B) Besides the point and not my call

Breaking election laws is breaking election laws. A "think tank" with ties so close to the CPC, Scheer's balls are currently resting on their collective chins, being paper trail involved with groups breaking election laws, suggests that an investigation should be undertaken.
 
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