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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

MindzEye said:
Knies isn't a crazy return for a rental though.

The Athletic opined recently on what a decent return for him would be in trade for Calgary and their answer was pretty reasonable. Either a good 1st round pick (bubble team, with a pick in the teens) + a lesser prospect. Or a lesser 1st (contending level team with a pick in the mid-high 20's) and a top prospect. I'm of a similar mind, though I could see the 1st being conditional on him re signing and it being a 2nd if he doesn't.
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There’s zero chance Knies or Robertson would be required in a deal for Lindholm, unless the Leafs stupidly refuse to part with the 1st. They’d be in lieu of and not in addition to, and there’s no way they’re dumb enough to do that with Knies. But the way they’ve been handling Robertson, maybe he’d be vulnerable.
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, he could always sign for a bad team that promises him PP1 opportunities that aren't here in Toronto. He probably chases 60+ points again for one of those.
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Of course it all depends on what kind of offers he has on the table. He wanted 6+ milly on a longer term deal last summer I believe. Didn't materialize. Teams may have more space this year so maybe someone bites at 5+ million for 5 years or so; I'm sure he'd take that. But if it's a sub 40 point year it's probably gonna be in the 3s or 4s max.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
There’s zero chance Knies or Robertson would be required in a deal for Lindholm, unless the Leafs stupidly refuse to part with the 1st. They’d be in lieu of and not in addition to, and there’s no way they’re dumb enough to do that with Knies. But the way they’ve been handling Robertson, maybe he’d be vulnerable.
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our late 1st would not be enough. Maybe they could be convinced to take a Niemela type, but I suspect it takes more
 
Forget Lindholm. Unless you are trading Tavares it too much to sign a $9 million forward, and I have no interest in trading for rentals again.

Long term top pairing D and a bottom 6 center signed cheap for a couple years like Jenner.
 
So weird with Bert. I thought we'd be getting good offense with iffy defense but instead he's maybe been our best defensive forward and may have been carrying tavares and not much production.
 
axlsalinger said:
our late 1st would not be enough. Maybe they could be convinced to take a Niemela type, but I suspect it takes more
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Oh of course we’d have to give more than just the 1st, but we’re talking Niemela, maybe Minten. Something like that. Not a proven kid already on the roster.
 
leafman101 said:
Forget Lindholm. Unless you are trading Tavares it too much to sign a $9 million forward, and I have no interest in trading for rentals again.

Long term top pairing D and a bottom 6 center signed cheap for a couple years like Jenner.
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If you lose Bert in the offseason, and Tavares comes back at half his salary if he comes back the year after, it’s easy to add a Lindholm, and criminal not to if he could be had.
 
Nah it makes it almost impossible to add an impact dman next year if you commit that kind of money to your 5th best forward.

And top pairing d is more important.
 
leafman101 said:
Forget Lindholm. Unless you are trading Tavares it too much to sign a $9 million forward, and I have no interest in trading for rentals again.

Long term top pairing D and a bottom 6 center signed cheap for a couple years like Jenner.
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My theory re: Lindholm would be to live with the cap pain for 1 yr by not "replacing" Brodie until the deadline. Punting on Kampf somehow would be nice as well.

Tavares-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Lindolm-Nylander
Knies-XXXXX-Jarnkrok
Kids-Kids-Kids

Rielly-Lilly
McCabe-XXXXX
Benoit-Timmins

Woll-Hildeby-Jones

Tavares either finishing up his time in Toronto and moving on, or signing a team friendly retirementish deal fixes the cap situation at that point.
 
leafman101 said:
Nah it makes it almost impossible to add an impact dman next year if you commit that kind of money to your 5th best forward.

And top pairing d is more important.
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Agreed. I wasn’t saying in addition to Lindholm. You’d have to choose F or D.

Not sure there’s any true top pairing D to acquire right now though. But if Lindholm can be had, I’d go for it and try to just outscore everyone in the playoffs. Also, the way it’s looking I’m not sure what Tavares’ next contract looks like or even if he wants to be playing after next season. If there’s a chance to get his ultimate replacement and have them both on the team for two more playoff runs in the meantime, I’m not passing that up.
 
1st 13gms: 46.2xgf%, 88pt pace
2nd 14gms: 52.5xgf%, 129pt pace
3rd 14gms: 55.5xgf%, 82pt pace

A little frustrating that over this last 1/3 of the season so far we've finally been playing the right way but not getting the deserved results. But then again we were getting better results than we deserved before that.

Still though if they can keep up their recent trend in underlyings (which also coincide almost perfectly with Klingberg then Reaves leaving the linup) we should get better results overall going forward.
 
Bert is definitely a smarter and better defensive player than I thought we were getting. And it’s wonderful he’s keeping all the nerdlingers happy by killing it on the nerd stats.

But after a while, I stop giving two shits about that if precious few of those “expected goals” are turning into real life pucks in the back of the net.

At this point, I wouldn’t re-sign him unless he comes dirt cheap.
 
We saw Florida finish with 92 points last year and mow through us and two other favorites to the finals. We see this sort of thing often. I’m starting to think who cares about the regular season anyway. If you’re basically a lock for the postseason, all that matters is what happens there, and it’s almost always completely unpredictable.
 
i think florida being better than that was pretty predictable by the numbers.

but i guess it's true that our numbers have been better without reaves/klingberg and could be better without kampf/gregor too then by that same token.
 
zeke said:
1st 13gms: 46.2xgf%, 88pt pace
2nd 14gms: 52.5xgf%, 129pt pace
3rd 14gms: 55.5xgf%, 82pt pace

A little frustrating that over this last 1/3 of the season so far we've finally been playing the right way but not getting the deserved results. But then again we were getting better results than we deserved before that.

Still though if they can keep up their recent trend in underlyings (which also coincide almost perfectly with Klingberg then Reaves leaving the linup) we should get better results overall going forward.
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can you add team sv% to the segments too? curious to see
 
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