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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

worm said:
He built Calgary into a powerhouse so have a little patience.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here or not. If not...

did he really though?

they had like one good year and then lost all their best players cause they dicked them around in contract negotiations. have they even made the playoffs since?

plus, he signed those awful Huberdeau and Kadri contracts.
 
I don't think lafferty is missed. His underlying numbers are the same as always.

All of the canucks' forwards have insane unsustainable shooting percentages this year. Heck Dakota Joshua is scoring more than Lafferty.

Hoglander 22.2sh% 12gls 17pts
Joshua 22.0sh% 11gls, 21pts
Lafferty 21.7sh% 10gls 19pts

it's just been a crazy 1st half for a bunch of canucks scrubs. like happened with NJ last year.
 
Preston said:
We also wanted Hyman gone. It's ok to admit when we're wrong.
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I'd like to see Laff's nerdies. seems like a guy who can fill the box score while providing overall negative value.

both my eye test and the results when he was here were fucking awful though. I don't feel badly about letting him go whatsoever.
 
Wayward DP said:
I'd like to see Laff's nerdies. seems like a guy who can fill the box score while providing overall negative value.

both my eye test and the results when he was here were fucking awful though. I don't feel badly about letting him go whatsoever.
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Oh I still think he sucks. But it's hilarious that they lost him because they signed Reaves. Like obviously of the two you prefer Laff. And then they wouldn't have signed Gregor I'd think.
 
Preston said:
Oh I still think he sucks. But it's hilarious that they lost him because they signed Reaves. Like obviously of the two you prefer Laff. And then they wouldn't have signed Gregor I'd think.
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this is fair.

but most of us knew the Reaves signing was fucking awful the moment it happened.

also, what happened to Reaves lol? can we get him on the island?
 
Wayward DP said:
man, the more I reflect, the more I agree with you ME that JT is the 'original sin' as you put it.
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I legitimately believe it

- We saw a 7.5 million dollar centre walk in and take his job last year during what was a down season for him. ROR looked much better in the middle of the ice than Tavares during his time here. Wasn't that close tbh. I'm pretty convinced that we could have relatively easily found a 2C that offered JT's 5v5 impacts for half the money. Or just suck it up and kept Kadri despite him being a psycho (which in retrospect appears more like a feature than a drawback). We would have needed a PP net front guy, but I'm pretty confident that the PP would have been fine without it's 4th best forward.

- It definitely changed the internal math for contract re-ups. It became impossible to not pay Matthews more than Tavares. JT came in and had a career season:

.57gpg
1.07ppg

Great year for JT. Matthews at 21 put up .54gpg and 1.07ppg. When there were two market comparbales at the time (Jack Eichel at 10.0 and Connor at 12.5) and their PPG stacked up like this

McDavid: 1.49
Matthews: 1.07
Eichel: 1.06

It seems like you'd have a pretty good argument to go closer to the Eichel contract (plus cap% increase) rather than end up in between, but internal cap is a thing that has been used on both sides of contract negotiations and once Tavares set our internal market at 11, Matthews was getting more than that, the question was how much. Mitch using Auston as a comparable has been talked about a lot in Toronto, but Auston definitely used Tavares.

Tavares 2 & 3 yrs GPG/PPG before signing in Toronto:

2 yrs: .41gpg/.94ppg
3 yrs: .41gpg/.93ppg

Matthews:

2 yrs: .55gpg/1.05ppg
3yrs: .53gpg/.97ppg

Seriously, how do you go into negotiations with a 21 yr old guy who in his first 3 seasons was better than the 11 million dollar "superstar" you just signed and even hope to leave the room spending less money on him than you gave the other guy? Not happening.

That imo set the stage for Mitch to point at Auston's number (with Mitch conveniently coming off of a 94 point season assisting in JT's career year) and end up getting a higher cap% than Patrick Kane got coming off of a Conn Smythe at similar age.

The knock on effects probably created 5-6 million in total cap spend that could have been redirected elsewhere without a decline in roster quality.
 
Wayward DP said:
this is fair.

but most of us knew the Reaves signing was fucking awful the moment it happened.

also, what happened to Reaves lol? can we get him on the island?
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Yeah fair. I will backtrack and say we weren't wrong about Laff. Though I was maybe a little wrong about not being more annoyed about it. I was still in the Tre honeymoon phase. It's such a small thing at the end of the day since Reaves and Laff both suck, but it's an error that no competent GM should make.
 
Wayward DP said:
and yeah, why the fuck is Noah Gregor a goddamn staple in our lineup.
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Keefe loves shitty plugs castaway by significantly worse teams than ours. It's wild. No 13th forward from a worse team than ours is too bad for 12 minutes a night here as long as they play "the right way"
 
After that horrendous first shift, Kampf-Gregor actually did great against mcdavid the rest of the game while the other lines got burned badly by their 3rd line.

So i don't think we're gonna see less of them anytime soon.
 
Lose a stud elite top pair D and a stud super elite franchise winger and you're gonna have a downtick in caliber regardless of what your 4th line looks like. It's a lot to overcome.
 
Preston said:
Yeah fair. I will backtrack and say we weren't wrong about Laff. Though I was maybe a little wrong about not being more annoyed about it. I was still in the Tre honeymoon phase. It's such a small thing at the end of the day since Reaves and Laff both suck, but it's an error that no competent GM should make.
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is this the official preston eats crow week or something :p ?
 
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