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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

I think the injuries having forced Keefe to see the added impact that Robertson and Holmberg have, likely make them locks for regular spots in the postseason. Every time he scratched Robby, he would come right back with a goal in the next game. Made Keefe look like a moron, even if he wants to try to take credit for coaxing that impact out of him with scratches. Fuck that fatass, he's probably dialed in with our picks for the forwards though.

His love for Baboon and Edmundunce will likely be our undoing however. He'll have to learn the hard way there too, likely with those costing us a game or two singlehandedly as we go.
 
leafman101 said:
It’s as good of a forward group as they’ve had.
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It's reminiscent of the years we had Hyman and also Kapanen and Johnsson. But better.

Hyman is a huge loss, but putting him aside, we've never had Bertuzzi, Domi, Knies, Robertson, who as a group are better than any supporting depth we previously had all at once.
 
I think this was mostly the playoffs lineup in 21-22:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kampf - Engvall
Kase - Blackwell - Spezza
(Simmonds - Clifford)

Rielly - Boosh
Muzzin - Brodie
Giordano - Holl
(Liljegren)

Campbell
(Kallgren)​
 
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Lineup changes year to year

21-22 ---> 22-23 ---> 23-24

Mikheyev ---> O'Reilly ---> Domi
Bunting ---> Bunting ---> Bertuzzi
Engvall ---> Acciari ---> McMann

Kerfoot ---> Kerfoot ---> Holmberg
Kase ---> Jarnkrok ---> Jarnkrok
Spezza ---> Knies ---> Knies

Blackwell ---> Lafferty ---> Robertson
Simmonds ---> ZAR ---> Reaves/Dewar


Brodie ---> Brodie ---> Liljegren (?)

Muzzin ---> McCabe ---> McCabe
Boosh ---> Schenn ---> Boosh

Holl ---> Holl ---> Benoit
Giordano ---> Giordano --> Edmundson

Liljegren ---> Liljegren ---> Brodie (?)​
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Guys like Baboonskin and Edmundstunk bring absolutely NOTHING other than supposed physicality.

I am starting to wonder if we, as non-pro's, maybe just don't get it.
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Keep going in that direction. Just listen to your favourite d-man

I think he’s come in and played good defensively,” Liljegren said of Edmundson. “He makes small, easy plays. He’s good with moving the puck. He’s open; he keeps himself in a good spot to get a pass. I just think we’ve played pretty solid together.”
 
zeke said:
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Lineup changes year to year

21-22 ---> 22-23 ---> 23-24

Mikheyev ---> O'Reilly ---> Domi
Bunting ---> Bunting ---> Bertuzzi
Engvall ---> Acciari ---> McMann

Kerfoot ---> Kerfoot ---> Holmberg
Kase ---> Jarnkrok ---> Jarnkrok
Spezza ---> Knies ---> Knies

Blackwell ---> Lafferty ---> Robertson
Simmonds ---> ZAR ---> Reaves/Dewar


Brodie ---> Brodie ---> Liljegren (?)

Muzzin ---> McCabe ---> McCabe
Boosh ---> Schenn ---> Boosh

Holl ---> Holl ---> Benoit
Giordano ---> Giordano --> Edmundson

Liljegren ---> Liljegren ---> Brodie (?)​
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I actually think this is not so bad and I'm realizing my negativity about the playoffs really doesn't have much to do with personnel (aside from the goaltending)
 
it'll be interesting to see how Keefe tries to do his usual usage.

Based on likely pairings I should probably be saying that Benoit would be replacing Brodie on the shutdown pairs of the past couple years (Brodie-McCabe and Muzzin-Brodie). That might be a downgrade, though Brodie-McCabe did fall apart last year so maybe not. And then Eddy-Lilly would be a simple swap in for Gio-Holl which has been the 3rd pairing for most of the past two playoffs runs, and I think that should be an upgrade, especially over what they did last year.

Up front it's going to be interesting. Obviously Kampf will continue to be buried in tough usage, but to Keefe's credit at no point in the season has he tried to use Kampf in as big a role as he did 2yrs ago when he first got him - i.e. a true shutdown 3rd line C type role.

Last year ROR got smushed in heavies while Matthews and Tavares got bigtime offensive usage. I doubt Holmberg gets buried in toughs these playoffs so I can only imagine both Matthews and Tavares get more normal usage less o-zone skewed offense.....and just more ice time in general...which is probably a good thing.

lemme check the 5v5 center zone start usage this year so far compared to last year's playoffs. I'll use TOI% instead of TOI because playoffs OTs skew TOI numbers so much

Matthews 31.3toi%, -2.7dzs%, 56.8xgf%
Tavares 28.4toi%, -2.2dzs%, 56.2xgf%
Holmberg 21.0toi%, -3.5dzs%, 53.5xgf%
Kampf 21.8toi%, +9.8dzs%, 43.6xgf%

compared to last year's playoffs:

Matthews 34.3toi%, -9.3dzs%, 58.2xgf%
Tavares 27.2toi%, -10.4dzs%, 51.7xgf%
O'Reilly 27.8toi%, +5.9dzs%, 44.4xgf%
Kampf 21.8toi%, +18.6dzs%, 38.1xgf%


The big news is that Tavares hasn't suffered much at all this year for the tougher usage - his nerdies have actually improved big time over his easy playoffs usage last year. And Matthews is around the same with his tougher usage too.

And of course ROR didn't exactly do great in that tougher usage either.

Kampf is Kampf of course. But at least Keefe didn't increase his role this year even though there was no proven 3C ahead of him



Maybe just maybe we have a lineup that is gonna force Keefe to ease up on his obsessive pursuit of hard matchups.
 
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