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OT: American Politics

I keep coming back to all the actual bellwethers, where people actually vote, since Dobbs have seen huge Dem overperformance.

as you've pointed out zeke, we also know there is/was a Trump effect. but man, I'm starting to doubt that its gonna happen again as strongly as it did in '16 and '20... (or at all)
 
technically speaking, the polling should have adjusted for the trump effect by now, or at least much more than it did in either of the previous elections.

otoh the polls would have a very hard time adjusting for any of the dobbs effect as this is the first potus election since.
 
I think this, "Trump might be winning" bit is helping the Harris campaign. Dems vote when they are scared or find it important.

The lesson from 2016 was that the Dems thought they had it in the bag, so some of them voted 3rd party or didn't vote at all, or for the Lolz.

This time, along with 2018, 2020, and 2022 the Dems are out in force. But the polls might just want to keep it close so everyone believes that it is their duty to vote Harris in ;)
 
I agree that there was a ton of complacency from everyone in 2016 including Hillary’s campaign. I just don’t see that happening again. People genuinely believed Roe was safe, for one thing.

more almost everyone thought Hillary's win was safe...even Hillary
 
I agree that there was a ton of complacency from everyone in 2016 including Hillary’s campaign. I just don’t see that happening again. People genuinely believed Roe was safe, for one thing.
It didn't help that at least 2 of the Trump appointed Federalist judges stated that "Roe was established president" and still voted to overturn it.
 
honest question. I want the genuine perspective.

I can't make any promises that I won't try to debunk what I perceive to be false or misleading claims. but I seriously want to know the source(s) of your enthusiasm.

we clearly live in different worlds and I want to know what is happening in yours that makes you excited. You've seen some of the stuff happening in the other reality, and I just wanna try to compare to the extent we can.
A lot of it is vibes, so I'll say that at the onset.

-Mark Halperin explaining how polls are so poorly done these days on low budgets with poor polling methods and voter capture. This leads me to believe the tight polling is wish casting. (Just googled him to see what you may throw at his character, apparently has a checkered past, but he's still a pro in his field).

-Vance's ridiculously calm and confident belief (in an informal interview setting) they'll win based on internal polling that both sides have. He mentioned you're able to hear how each sides internal polling is going via journalists who speak to each side.

-Trump campaign not sticking to strictly battleground states and starting to turn focus to helping downballot candidates.

-EV, not a historically republican thing, going extremely well for republicans and much better than 2020. I saw the twitter guy on rural voters skewing that and I'm not buying it.

-R's ability to get low-propensity voters (mostly because EVERYONE is sick of this economic state)

-Harris campaign focusing on and making their main message "TRUMP IS EVIL" has given everyone "ORANGE-MAN-BAD" fatigue and it just doesn't hit anymore. Especially in the last week or two of campaigning? That's it? The same rally cry from last 8 years? How does that fix the economy and illegal immigration?
-Harris campaign making abortion their central issue when it's not even top 3 for the country. Another strategy blunder - focusing on just appealing to women.
-Harris campaign last week or two making huge efforts to appeal to black males and latinos is a red flag. Those demographics should be slam dunks at this stage. As I've said tongue in cheek before - the Trump convictions actually helped in.

-Trump wins big on the two biggest issues to voters: Economy and illegal immigration. If you want the third, making the US and world safer, he wins on that, too. (Here comes your articles with ranking of importance to voters. I've seen different sources say different things, but economy and immigration are the two issues with most overlap for voters).

-Obama and Michelle having to get in on the campaigning action even though they hate the public spotlight now.

-Little to no show of support for Kamala when I'm driving around. Huge displays of enthusiasm (18 wheeler on side of interstate) for Trump.
-Little to no chatter of "Can you believe Trump x,y,z?!" like in 2020 that implies negative feelings of him; moreso an eye roll and "yeah, but he is better for the country" type of attitude and discussion.

-Massive rally in heart of NYC, a democrat haven.

-Kamala having to make more public appearances than they've clearly tried to avoid for the vast majority of the campaign.
-Harris campaign trying to get another debate, Trump saying no implies Trump campaign feels good about internal polling.

-Harris being unable to capture the normal appeal of Jews nor Muslims due to the line straddling her and Biden have been taking with middle east conflict, plus not picking Shapiro as VP for obvious reasons.

-Harris generally does not present an aura of authority and authenticity that makes everything she says ring very hollow.

-Large tech companies reaching out to trump campaign to become friendlier.
-MSM becoming a touch friendlier with Trump in instances, including asking Kamala questions that she most likely didn't preapprove being asked.

I reserve the right to add more. But vibes are great right now.
 
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technically speaking, the polling should have adjusted for the trump effect by now, or at least much more than it did in either of the previous elections.

otoh the polls would have a very hard time adjusting for any of the dobbs effect as this is the first potus election since.
What is the trump effect?
 
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