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OT: American Politics

Sorry folks but Biden would have been utterly wiped out, with states like VA, NH, MN, and NJ coming into play. The Dem Senate candidates were running way ahead of him too, which was a big red flag at the time. I think it's mostly a backlash against the incumbent administration because of inflation and immigration, as seen in other elections around the world.
 
I still cannot decide in my head what the best outcome is, for democracy and freedom.

Like, do we want him to die in office? Then we have President JD, who I suspect goes full fascism pretty quickly.

Do we want to wait out his term?

What's the off ramp... gah
I honestly don't think Vance goes full fascism.
He probably does horrible things but trumpers won't keep him in power if he tries to stop democracy.

If trump does what wehave suggests.

The off ramp will be states declaring independence imo. Quebec tried it, why not Cali and ny
 
I honestly don't think Vance goes full fascism.
He probably does horrible things but trumpers won't keep him in power if he tries to stop democracy.

If trump does what wehave suggests.

The off ramp will be states declaring independence imo. Quebec tried it, why not Cali and ny
yah once we start getting into states leaving the union, I suspect we also get into civil war...
 
Everyone hates the "deep state" without realizing they've been immensely spoiled from birth by these amazing institutions that make up the foundation of the greatest society the world has ever seen, by far.

They simply can't imagine they would fail, even though 99% of human history never had anything like them, and even as they watch them fail in real time..... as they all cheer on the attacks.

As someone planning a move to a place that lacks a robust western style "administrative state" and instead has a deeply inefficient and corrupt administrative state (there are very few issues in mexico that the right sized envelope in the right hands doesn't fix), these people have no fucking clue what they're asking for when they cheer on the dismantling of the "deep state". Wife and I are going through construction planning right now and on the advice of our fucking architect, we've already started setting aside a cash stash off the books "just in case" there are problems with permits (permitting delays can last well over a year in some parts of the country), over zealous municipal inspectors, etc. The worst part of it is that the amounts themselves aren't that big at all, but it's common that once someone has dipped into your pocket, you're going to magically need a few more things from them during whatever process they're helping you with and then magically again someone else they're aligned with will come for an inspection their department should have nothing to do with, etc and it just turns into a parade of relatively small envelopes quietly shuffled into pockets.

This is what happens when corruption becomes endemic in a country's administration. We're not talking about the unfortunately normal corruption at the top end of well connected donor companies getting government contracts in no bid or opaque process contract awards. The type of corruption that gets governments voted out during the next election. This is a full on culture of everyone filling their pockets as a part of doing their day to day jobs. People living in modern western nations just have no concept or experience in dealing with that type of corruption and the dismantling of the "deep state" will very likely bring that type of cronyism. As long as you're kicking an envelope up to your boss, and he to his, you're good to make as much side money as you can as long as you keep it quiet.
 
As someone planning a move to a place that lacks a robust western style "administrative state" and instead has a deeply inefficient and corrupt administrative state (there are very few issues in mexico that the right sized envelope in the right hands doesn't fix), these people have no fucking clue what they're asking for when they cheer on the dismantling of the "deep state". Wife and I are going through construction planning right now and on the advice of our fucking architect, we've already started setting aside a cash stash off the books "just in case" there are problems with permits (permitting delays can last well over a year in some parts of the country), over zealous municipal inspectors, etc. The worst part of it is that the amounts themselves aren't that big at all, but it's common that once someone has dipped into your pocket, you're going to magically need a few more things from them during whatever process they're helping you with and then magically again someone else they're aligned with will come for an inspection their department should have nothing to do with, etc and it just turns into a parade of relatively small envelopes quietly shuffled into pockets.

This is what happens when corruption becomes endemic in a country's administration. We're not talking about the unfortunately normal corruption at the top end of well connected donor companies getting government contracts in no bid or opaque process contract awards. The type of corruption that gets governments voted out during the next election. This is a full on culture of everyone filling their pockets as a part of doing their day to day jobs. People living in modern western nations just have no concept or experience in dealing with that type of corruption and the dismantling of the "deep state" will very likely bring that type of cronyism. As long as you're kicking an envelope up to your boss, and he to his, you're good to make as much side money as you can as long as you keep it quiet.

and I'm assuming when you move there you're not moving all your savings into mexican financial institutions.
 
and I'm assuming when you move there you're not moving all your savings into mexican financial institutions.

That's a really good assumption.

We'll be filing Canadian tax returns every fucking year and taking advantage of access to the Canadian banking system, 100%.
 
I still cannot decide in my head what the best outcome is, for democracy and freedom.

Like, do we want him to die in office? Then we have President JD, who I suspect goes full fascism pretty quickly.

Do we want to wait out his term?

What's the off ramp... gah

The sooner Trump dies, the better imo.
 
Sorry folks but Biden would have been utterly wiped out, with states like VA, NH, MN, and NJ coming into play. The Dem Senate candidates were running way ahead of him too, which was a big red flag at the time. I think it's mostly a backlash against the incumbent administration because of inflation and immigration, as seen in other elections around the world.

Definitely possible, but it's kind of impossible to use polling from when he pulled out as evidence of anything. The well had been poisoned for weeks of the party turning on him. Polls were tied going into the debate he tanked and tied within a week or two after. It was only when the democrats pulled the knives out that the polling started to slip heavily.

I still hold to my opinion at the time that the single most important thing was party unity in whichever direction they wanted to go. But Biden didn't get old overnight.
 
For all the denials before, it seems pretty obvious that Trump will be running for potus again in 2028, right?
 
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