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OT: American Politics

I mean, are they really going to be grabbing the dishwasher, the maid, and their two young kids and putting them on a plane if they have a clean record, have been here for years, and are paying their taxes? I'm skeptical, honestly. And if they try, there will be pushback at the state level, so it could end up being a lot of talk.
all I'm doing is literally listening to what Trump and his campaign team and surrogates have been saying, for weeks and months now. and that is that they want mass deportations, including of legal migrants, and american citizens. and they want to 'denaturalize' folks, too.

you suggest we should ignore the things they are saying, loudly and repeatedly. we'll know soon enough.
But if they go after the twice convicted armed robber waiting to stand trial for his third one, and send him and his wife and kids packing, would I be surprised, or opposed to it? Can't say that I would.
they do this already.
 
Mixed feelings on Noam but he sorta nailed that America was ripe for a figure like Donny long before he entered the scene.

The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic WHITE figure has arisen. Every charismatic figure is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself, like McCarthy or Nixon or the evangelist preachers. If somebody comes along who is charismatic and honest AND WHITE this country is in real trouble because of the frustration, disillusionment, the justified anger and the absence of any coherent response. What are people supposed to think if someone says ‘I have got an answer, we have an enemy’? There it was the Jews. Here it will be the illegal immigrants and the blacks. We will be told that white males are a persecuted minority. We will be told we have to defend ourselves and the honor of the nation. Military force will be exalted. People will be beaten up. This could become an overwhelming force. And if it happens it will be more dangerous than Germany. The United States is the world power. Germany was powerful but had more powerful antagonists. I don’t think all this is very far away. If the polls are accurate it is not the Republicans but the right-wing Republicans, the crazed Republicans, who will sweep the next election.
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I agree for the most part but I'm not gonna go as far as saying "no chance." I think the chances of fascism being a thing are definitely higher today than they were a year ago. If I had to bet on it, would I bet against the USA? No of course not. But my mind is open. Donny and the GOP have surprised me many times before.

And we do know for a fact that he fantasizes about being a dictator. The nice part about him is that he telegraphs all of his thoughts. Do I think he'll be successful even if he acts on it? Not something I'd bet on. But there's for sure a better chance than there's been in decades.

That’s the way I see it too.

Risk is not zero. Obviously, would have been zero if Kamala won . And I like zero risk when it comes to the end of democracy
 
I mean, are they really going to be grabbing the dishwasher, the maid, and their two young kids and putting them on a plane if they have a clean record, have been here for years, and are paying their taxes? I'm skeptical


Yes. That's the plan. Miller is straight up masterbating about winning a court case that allows them to throw out undocumented spouses of American citizens just today for example.

If you're undocumented in Trump's america, you're gone. If you're document but are the children of undocumented people, they're working to get rid of you too.
 
No, I admit I didn't think something like that would happen. We're seeing in recent years (especially around the world with the Israel stuff) the lengths lunatic morons among the masses will go, but we also saw what happened in reaction to it.

The Constitution will not die, the US will not become some fascist nation, and everything will be just fine. You can think it's burying head in the sand talk, but it's not. Bet against the US at your own risk.
I'm not sure if I can express how much I hope you are right.
 
Mixed feelings on Noam but he sorta nailed that America was ripe for a figure like Donny long before he entered the scene.

The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen. Every charismatic figure is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself, like McCarthy or Nixon or the evangelist preachers. If somebody comes along who is charismatic and honest this country is in real trouble because of the frustration, disillusionment, the justified anger and the absence of any coherent response. What are people supposed to think if someone says ‘I have got an answer, we have an enemy’? There it was the Jews. Here it will be the illegal immigrants and the blacks. We will be told that white males are a persecuted minority. We will be told we have to defend ourselves and the honor of the nation. Military force will be exalted. People will be beaten up. This could become an overwhelming force. And if it happens it will be more dangerous than Germany. The United States is the world power. Germany was powerful but had more powerful antagonists. I don’t think all this is very far away. If the polls are accurate it is not the Republicans but the right-wing Republicans, the crazed Republicans, who will sweep the next election.
I have two words for you.

Dolly Parton.


Now more words.

Lol, imagine a benevolent dictatorship and Dolly is in charge.

Is there anybody you can think of as a better example of a good human being?
Loved by all?
Who could stand up to her?
Not Putin, and certainly not trump.


Dolly World
 
That’s the way I see it too.

Risk is not zero. Obviously, would have been zero if Kamala won . And I like zero risk when it comes to the end of democracy
I'll agree the risk is not zero, in that old sense of the expert's courtroom admission that "yes, I suppose that's possible", but as far as I'm concerned, it's very close to zero and a lot of this is hysteria from letting fear and paranoia spiral out of control.
 

Yes. That's the plan. Miller is straight up masterbating about winning a court case that allows them to throw out undocumented spouses of American citizens just today for example.

If you're undocumented in Trump's america, you're gone. If you're document but are the children of undocumented people, they're working to get rid of you too.
This is the theory, but we have to wait to see the reality.
 
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