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OT: American Politics

FlyGuy said:
It's taught very well. Nuclear power says don't make our neighboring state part of your warring alliance. Nuclear power says don't provide missiles to said country. Nuclear power says don't help that country use those missiles to strike deep in our country. Nuclear power lowers the limits they need to use said Nukes.

You know why Trump won hispanics? Because hispanics don't give a fuck about Ukraine, either.

The lengths you all go to to defend plain, transparent corruption in Ukraine in the name of some laughable "democracy" bullshit never ceases to amaze me.
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this level of gaslighting combined with this extremely naive lack of knowledge about the facts is breathtaking
 
FlyGuy said:
Why does it concern the west at all? There are so many more important things to spend money on domestically. Oh, it's because western bureaucracies money launder through the most corrupt country in europe.
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Great example here of the reason why we're trying to tell you that some things you say aren't true. It's because you are simply regurgitating a bunch of stuff you have learned through the right wing propaganda machine that is nonsense and demonstrably untrue. While at the same time naively simplifying complex issues into these incorrect talking points.
 
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zeke said:
So you are fine with russia invading whoever they want, and the us and the world doing nothing, because russia has nukes. Got it.
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No. Not alright with it. But not willing to end this in a nuclear exchange either. Are you?

Again. Keep misrepresenting my position and then refuting that.

What’s your plan Zeke? Mine is you stop shooting and resolve this because all the keep shooting scenarios played to the end are catastrophic. Unless you think we can keep shooting until Putin quits and is out of power without using nukes. And how many more lives is that outcome worth?
 
zeke said:
Canada was in WWII before america and has been with ukraine from the start.

We don't hide.

And thankfully america hasn't hid either, like you chickenshits want it to.
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Go volunteer hardo. Like I said, easy to sentence other people to death. You're the chickenshit if you don't. Put your life where your mouth is.
 
cmon3 said:
Freedom of speech means you’re allowed to say fuck you in response to a point you don’t like. It doesn’t mean I need to continue having the discussion. I suppose Fuck you is an opinion. It’s probably not one someone would express in person.

It’s not worth trying to have a discussion with someone like that though. Not that it hurts my feelings at all, but it’s pointless.

It doesn’t matter to me that people have different opinions. Happy to discuss those but when the reply is name calling, or fuck you etc. That doesn’t make for a very interesting discussion. That’s close to my entire point. If your response to what you disagree with is you’re garbage or deplorable, or a Nazi, or fascist or fuck you, you lost the argument and any chance of convincing anyone that your opinion has any merit. Same thing when you distort and take out of context and use the extremes and exceptions to support your positions. If you want to misstate a position then make your points about why it’s wrong - what’s the point of that?
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Surely you can see that WeHave can go over the top sometimes in his rhetoric. I mean this has got to be obvious, right? I agree we should tone down the name calling, it doesn't serve any purpose and I don't agree with everything he says. But twice last night you mentioned the left's "extreme agenda" so I asked for a list of exactly what you were talking about. Which I couldn't help but notice that you did not provide while continuing the "woe is me all you guys do is insult" crusade.
 
zeke said:
I like how these dummies have convinced themselves that the west is doing this because somehow ukraine of all places is so crucial to their money laundering operations that it can’t be lost.
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It's been proven. Trump and his admin wanted to stop payments to get an investigation into where they were actually going and he was impeached for it. Clear as fuckin day.
 
zeke said:
I like how these dummies have convinced themselves that the west is doing this because somehow ukraine of all places is so crucial to their money laundering operations that it can’t be lost.
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Obviously they're learning these things from the right-wing propaganda machine. Because they have been convinced that the actual news organizations are fake. By the right-wing propaganda machine. But even sadder than that is on the Ukraine issue, they are spouting talking points that are so ridiculous they can only have been written by Russians.
 
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