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zeke said:
I think the Dark Knight flicks made a good choice in making it seem like all the origin stories were just stories joker made up for fun.

This was definitely the real Joker though. But obvioisly a different origin story - though not necessarily because there might always be a vat of acid in his future.

And lets be honest this origin story rocked.
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zeke said:
I think the Dark Knight flicks made a good choice in making it seem like all the origin stories were just stories joker made up for fun.

This was definitely the real Joker though. But obvioisly a different origin story - though not necessarily because there might always be a vat of acid in his future.

And lets be honest this origin story rocked.
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The Nolan movies didn't have Joker give different versions of his origin story. He gave different versions of how he got the scars, and yeah, that was a brilliant little gimmick among many in that trilogy. How he became the Joker was never actually addressed, though.

Unless they change it in the sequel, this wasn't the super villain Joker. He was a depressed ordinary shmo who inspired future lunatics, one of which became the real Joker. Now I have to rewatch the ending to recall why I came away with that. For now, I just remember a bunch of copycats rioting in the city.

And nah, the origin story didn't rock. It was a great take on how those marginalized by society could lose it, but I'd almost rather they have created a brand new psycho personal than to pull the Joker into it. I mean, the Joker's whole shtick, consistently through every single era and variation in the comics (AND movies - Nicholson, Ledger, Cesar fucking Romero!), is that this is a guy having FUN committing crimes and killing. He's literally never sad, even when getting his face punched in (just like when Ledger was laughing in the interrogation room while Bats beat the shit out of him). On every level open to reasonable interpretation, this is a different guy. There's no way that Joaquin's guy turns into Ledger's guy.
 
Agreed. The whole point of the Phoenix Joker is that he’s an extreme version of so many contemporary dudes suffering from mental illness/isolation/bad economic and romantic prospects

He’s not “larger than life” like the classic Joker
 
CH1 said:
Agreed. The whole point of the Phoenix Joker is that he’s an extreme version of so many contemporary people suffering from mental illness/isolation/bad economic and romantic prospects

He’s not “larger than life” like the classic Joker
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Yup. Now they can change all that with a wave of the hand by simply saying he's the same guy in the sequel, but that would do a real disservice to the first movie, and generally to the Joker character itself because that's a major, major change to everything he's always been about. It wouldn't be the same guy, but they'd be shoehorning the ill-fitting Joaquin character into the real supervillain character.
 
More and more, directors and writers are straying away from the original text. Which makes sense; who wants to regurgitate the same yarn….. it’s more fun and satisfying to put your own spin on it while acknowledging contemporary issues.

TLDR; the old brand/IP is a cash cow to further a director’s personal vision
 
CH1 said:
More and more, directors and writers are straying away from the original text. Which makes sense; who wants to regurgitate the same yarn….. it’s more fun and satisfying to put your own spin on it while acknowledging contemporary issues.

TLDR; the old brand/IP is a cash cow to further a director’s personal vision
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Yeah, I’m not really a fan of it in most cases though, because they usually can’t match the original and will skew it in some way that doesn’t work.
 
Did any of it really happen or was it all in his head?

Pretty sure he smashed his head against the glass in the psyche hospital.

Is he the inspiration for the real joker?

Is he THE joker?

Is he Bruce Wayne’s brother?

LOVED how open ended that movie was and how you can interpret it so many ways. So good. Brilliant storytelling.
 
CH1 said:
Always a risk when you seek new ground
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It’s rarely ever new ground. If it were, they wouldn’t need existing IP. That’s my overall gripe with the entertainment industry - not enough money goes to original works because they make billions off the existing properties.

I’m not sure there’s been even two or three marvel movies that didn’t lift directly from old, classic comic book stories. Use the characters but for chrissakes, come up with a new story.
 
CH1 said:
Might be a better story but you obviously do not comprehend the full meaning of “origin story”
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If you prefer the Nicholson Joker of falling in a vat I get it. You're a purist.

To some, like me, that's far too juvenile and easy. Watching the slow descent into madness was far far more riveting to me.

In this age of multi-universe, go with the flow on a different origin story.
 
Leafin' said:
Did any of it really happen or was it all in his head?

Pretty sure he smashed his head against the glass in the psyche hospital.

Is he the inspiration for the real joker?

Is he THE joker?

Is he Bruce Wayne’s brother?

LOVED how open ended that movie was and how you can interpret it so many ways. So good. Brilliant storytelling.
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Oh lord, I forgot about about that part. I fucking cringed when that happened.
 
I mean, they’re doing the skrull invasion story in the next wave of marvel movies. They’re done lifting the good comic book stories (and usually doing them worse), now they’re on to the bad stories. Like they honestly can’t write an original story. It’s embarrassing.
 
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