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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Probably the biggest thing by trading pascal is financial freedom. I like Pascal as a player and his love for Toronto and all that. But you got to let Scottie run with it now. Pascal isn’t old by any means, and I see people say he should still fit the window. And sure I kind of understand that part. BUT the money side for pascal is worth it for what he brings. You really need to turn the keys over to Scottie wirh shooters and see what you got. You can’t risk losing pascal for nothing. That’s bad asset management, and it maybe a bad financial decision to resign him.
 
HabsFan1 said:
Pascal isn’t old by any means, and I see people say he should still fit the window.
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And I disagree with that tbh. Pascal might age gracefully, but aging curves after 30 are generally influened by age of your peak/prime, height of your peak, health, and skillset.

Pascal is 59th in EPM. Now, not all of those are starters so have easier roles so 59th is a bit unfair but only a bit. Here's a list of every starter 30+ with a higher EPM than Pascal this year.

Jimmy Butler
CJ McCollum
Mike Conley
Steph
Kyrie
Harden
Anthony Davis
Dame
PG13
KD
Kawhi
Lebron

It's basically a list of former Superstar or MVP calibre players, Mike Conley (high IQ elite PG's tend to age super gracefully. CP3, Kyle, Conley, Jrue, etc) CJ McCollum (having a bit of a weirdo 32 yr old near career season), & Gobert (perennial DPOY contender)

The guys who stay good past 31-32 yrs old are almost all former superstars. Here's that list with their best EPM season, and now with Pascal added

Pascal 3.6
Gobert 7.0
Jimmy Butler 6.9
CJ McCollum 3.4
Mike Conley 5.7
Steph 10.5
Kyrie 6.0
Harden 10.0
Anthony Davis 7.3
Dame 7.1
PG13 7.1
KD 7.0
Kawhi 7.9
Lebron 10.3

Would be crazy to bet on him aging well tbh.
 
MindzEye said:
Not necessarily.

Brown is 22M this season, 23M next season.

That 22 + 7.6 in cap space gets us to needing about 8 million in filler to make it work.

McConnell makes 8.7 and could probably be redirected at the deadline (we don't need 3 point guard) or a 3rd team could be worked in.
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I think its just a rumour to get other teams to pony up a better deal
 
Interesting Article from Yahoo Sports basically breaks down where we are with the Siakam trade rumours:

Toronto appears to be seeking established young players in deal for Pascal Siakam

The Indiana Pacers and Toronto Raptors engaged in further talks to trade Pascal Siakam for a return headlined by Bruce Brown and draft capital Tuesday, league sources told Yahoo Sports, leaving several parties familiar with the negotiations surprised that no agreement or finality came before games began that evening. The Athletic first reported the latest conversations between the two teams.

Indiana has been one of if not the most committed suitor for the 29-year-old Siakam, who’s upcoming unrestricted free agency has complicated the trade deadline landscape surrounding the All-NBA talent. The Pacers also engaged Toronto about acquiring OG Anunoby, sources said, until the final hours before the Raptors ultimately sent the versatile defender to New York on Dec. 30. As evidenced by that deal, Toronto has been coveting established young players to pair with franchise centerpiece Scottie Barnes, sources said, in addition to Immanuel Quickley and R.J. Barrett, the two returning pieces from the Knicks.

One impasse that has been at the center of conversations between Indiana and Toronto regarding Siakam, according to league sources, is the Pacers’ unwillingness to include second-year guard and former lottery pick Bennedict Mathurin, in addition to the No. 8 pick in last June’s draft, Jarace Walker, an athletic forward out of Houston. On Tuesday, the Pacers’ latest outgoing framework included 25-year-old reserve shooter Jordan Nwora, league sources told Yahoo Sports, with the final salary needed to match Siakam’s $37.8 million number being either Obi Toppin or Jalen Smith. Two of the picks on the table from Indiana are the pair of 2024 first-round selections the Pacers have in their cupboard, sources said. Aaron Nesmith’s $5.6 million salary would also represent a match for Siakam’s figure, in addition to Brown and Nwora.

While Indiana has explored what trade returns could come from a package of veteran outside threat Buddy Hield and a first-rounder, Hield was not being discussed as part of this latest framework between Indiana and Toronto, sources said. In any deal that would bring three players to the Raptors for Siakam, Toronto would need to create an open roster spot by either sending someone back to Indiana or waiving a player.
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Dallas has been one of the teams engaged in acquiring Siakam, sources said. The Mavericks continue to be linked to various versatile forwards, from Andrew Wiggins to P.J. Washington to old friend Dorian Finney-Smith, according to league sources.
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Golden State has held discussions on Siakam as well, as the Warriors are motivated to find in-season improvements and right their ship that’s still being steered by Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson. Golden State, though, has shown little indication of parting with Moses Moody or Jonathan Kuminga, sources said.
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To sum up the reported trade offer:


View: https://x.com/esidery/status/1747668502930985346?s=20
 
It looks like Masai is just waiting for one of these teams to break and offer their good young players for Spicy P. If none do, then I think he takes the best overall value and pivots to trading for a good young player to pair with their core through draft capital.

Masai doesn't bluff.
 
I'd prefer the picks to not be mostly in 24.

If the plan really is to use them as currency in a trade, all that does is starts a clock on how long Masai has to do so.
 
GEEMAN said:
Draft is full of projects , something the Raps do well developing
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Not fucking lately.

Im only super excited by a deal if the picks are flipped, they have proper ammunition now to get a Markkanen if they want, the problem with 24 picks is it doesn't leave a lot of time for stars to want out.
 
GEEMAN said:
Toppin is a bust ?
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Toppin is a lovely offensive spark plug off the bench and his next contract projects to be somewhere in the 3/24 (total, not per year) range according to what I'm seeing out there.

His D keeps him from being a starter, but EPM and BPM both think he's about as impactful offensively as Pascal is (though obviously the roles are significantly different and Pascal's is far more important). in ~25mpg he's a really nice piece imo.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Not fucking lately.
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