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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

MindzEye said:
Toppin is a lovely offensive spark plug off the bench and his next contract projects to be somewhere in the 3/24 (total, not per year) range according to what I'm seeing out there.

His D keeps him from being a starter, but EPM and BPM both think he's about as impactful offensively as Pascal is (though obviously the roles are significantly different and Pascal's is far more important). in ~25mpg he's a really nice piece imo.
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if his 3pt leap is real yeah.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Yeah, comparing a 4th overall with picks that will assuredly be in the 20's, where is their success in that region recently?
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Define recently...

They've picked in the 20's once since 2018, and picked Malachi. But the same guys picked OG (2017), Pascal (2016), Delon Wright (2015) the 3 years before that.

If we're looking at our recent draft overall:

2023: Dick (13) Way too early to tell, might return decent value for a 13 spot. I was never high on the pick though.

2022: Koloko (33) Still like this pick and his defensive upside is crazy (as are the 2nd half defensive metrics from his rookie year). Covid is gonna covid though.

2021: Scottie (4) 95% of the basketball world thought this was a flop for not picking Suggs....yeah, about that. Banton (46) Interesting project, even getting a guy who lasts on a NBA bench for a bunch of years out of a mid 2nd isn't a bad pick. Johnson (47) Meh.

2020: Malachi (29) Looked like a player at times, development was probably fucked about at least a bit by Nurse. 29th picks don't often turn into much though. The only thing that stings here is that Desmond Bane and his baby arms went the pick after. Because other than Bane, looking at the list of guys who went in the next 10-15 picks is uninspiring.
 
zeke said:
if his 3pt leap is real yeah.
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Has always been a good free throw shooter (which is a decent indicator for shooting upside from a bunch of analysis I've seen) and was a good shooter in college. Wouldn't be surprised if this was durable.
 
MindzEye said:
Define recently...

They've picked in the 20's once since 2018, and picked Malachi. But the same guys picked OG (2017), Pascal (2016), Delon Wright (2015) the 3 years before that.

If we're looking at our recent draft overall:

2023: Dick (13) Way too early to tell, might return decent value for a 13 spot. I was never high on the pick though.

2022: Koloko (33) Still like this pick and his defensive upside is crazy (as are the 2nd half defensive metrics from his rookie year). Covid is gonna covid though.

2021: Scottie (4) 95% of the basketball world thought this was a flop for not picking Suggs....yeah, about that. Banton (46) Interesting project, even getting a guy who lasts on a NBA bench for a bunch of years out of a mid 2nd isn't a bad pick. Johnson (47) Meh.

2020: Malachi (29) Looked like a player at times, development was probably fucked about at least a bit by Nurse. 29th picks don't often turn into much though. The only thing that stings here is that Desmond Bane and his baby arms went the pick after. Because other than Bane, looking at the list of guys who went in the next 10-15 picks is uninspiring.
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I mean you're the one who wants these picks flipped for a star, right? and most teams prefer a mystery box to the dudes some other GM drafted
 
Pwner said:
Here's Shams basically saying the same thing as Fischer reported:


View: https://x.com/BasketballOnX/status/1747639639576379731?s=20


Again, picks are nice but Masai wants "established" young players. This is a deal you do at like 2:45pm on Feb 8th (trade deadline is 3pm on that day).
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Brown + Topping + Jackson and 3 1sts, and I think that's kind of a sneaky coup tbh.

Having Poeltl-Jackson on the court for 48 minutes will be huge for interior defence. Both are very strong defenders and are decent enough offensively to not bog shit down while they're out there. Brown is competent offensively, but a strong point of attack guard defender, which takes that off of Quickley's plate. Toppin an impact offensive contributor off of the bench. Spread the Pascal offensive load among Scottie (whose FGA are down a bunch since the trade), Quickley & RJ, fire Gary into the sun (what his impact off the bench is supposed to be can be given to Toppin way more effectively) and let's go.

I don't think the starters would be much worse at all overall (offence takes a small hit, but the D gets a solid bump with Brown) and the bench would be a legit plus for the first time in what....3-4 years?
 
MindzEye said:
Brown + Topping + Jackson and 3 1sts, and I think that's kind of a sneaky coup tbh.

Having Poeltl-Jackson on the court for 48 minutes will be huge for interior defence. Both are very strong defenders and are decent enough offensively to not bog shit down while they're out there. Brown is competent offensively, but a strong point of attack guard defender, which takes that off of Quickley's plate. Toppin an impact offensive contributor off of the bench. Spread the Pascal offensive load among Scottie (whose FGA are down a bunch since the trade), Quickley & RJ, fire Gary into the sun (what his impact off the bench is supposed to be can be given to Toppin way more effectively) and let's go.

I don't think the starters would be much worse at all overall (offence takes a small hit, but the D gets a solid bump with Brown) and the bench would be a legit plus for the first time in what....3-4 years?
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just Brown and Nwora, apparently :(
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I mean you're the one who wants these picks flipped for a star, right? and most teams prefer a mystery box to the dudes some other GM drafted
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I still want them flipped. I just don't think the right rebuttal to "let's keep them" is "but our scouting/drafting sucks balls". Because that's kind of clearly not the case.
 
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