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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

axlsalinger said:
yes, because a 28 year old with elite defense and a 35 year old journeyman are the same thing
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IKF turns 29 next week. He is past his defensive peak. The Jays are paying a premium to play IKF down the defensive spectrum (3B, corner OF) where much of his defensive value is wasted. Meanwhile, he has negative offensive value but is going to be in the lineup everyday because of salary.

I’d say that money could have been better spent on someone that fills a need on the roster. Espinal, Clement and Schneider basically already provide what IKF can give this team and were already in-house for way less money
 
axlsalinger said:
1.6 and 1.5 wins the two years before last. And again, one win is generally considered to be worth around $7-8 million dollars.
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I would expect the guy who averages under 1 WAR per 650 PA to be just that. Spending any money for a 1 WAR player is very dumb as you should be able to pull them out of your system or ST invites for league minimum. This is the baseball equivalent of spending 3 milly on the 4th liner. It never returns value, ever.

Sign Davis. Way more upside. Punt Espinal since you've already spent the money on IKF.
 
I've always liked JD Davis, I'm not against that idea. Split time with IKF who can also super-util. Just not sure on roster spots as I think Clement may be out of options and could already be pushing Espinal to the minors.
 
If IKF is anything but an everyday shortstop where the position adjustments in WAR maximizes his value, he will struggle to hit 1 WAR this season in full time duty. If he's anything but a fulltime 3B who spot starts at SS, he'll struggle to hit .5 WAR, again because of the positional adjustments.

If they do super-util him, he'll probably end up replacement level.
 
MindzEye said:
If IKF is anything but an everyday shortstop where the position adjustments in WAR maximizes his value, he will struggle to hit 1 WAR this season in full time duty. If he's anything but a fulltime 3B who spot starts at SS, he'll struggle to hit .5 WAR, again because of the positional adjustments.

If they do super-util him, he'll probably end up replacement level.
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He was a painfully stupid idea before you factor in that it was the biggest overpay accross MLB for the entire offseason.

Urshela/Rosario/Davis all suited our needs better.
 
axlsalinger said:
I've always liked JD Davis, I'm not against that idea. Split time with IKF who can also super-util. Just not sure on roster spots as I think Clement may be out of options and could already be pushing Espinal to the minors.
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But you are against Adam Duval or Robbie Grossman as an OF4 because you like the idea of IKF or Biggio out there.
 
axlsalinger said:
I've always liked JD Davis, I'm not against that idea. Split time with IKF who can also super-util. Just not sure on roster spots as I think Clement may be out of options and could already be pushing Espinal to the minors.
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If you sign Davis I'm willing to punt Clement if need be.

CF-KK
LF-Varsho
RF-Springer
3B-Davis
2B-Schneider
SS-Bo
1B-Vlad
C- Kirk
DH-Turner

C-Jansen
DH-Vogelbach/Votto
UTIL-IKF
UTIL-Biggio

This isn't perfect, and i still hate the idea of IKF/Biggio as an OF4. IKF is used to come in after Vogelbach PH for someone
 
There is no evidence these guys even realize Espinal is bad, and frankly i think a team that gives IKF 2/15 probably doesn't realize it.

Im not saying Ernie Clement is a legit bat, but he at least warrants a look if you aren't going to sign Davis, which you really fucking should.

Frankly Clement might be more useful than the two guys trying to battle for fun backup DH, but thats another argument
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
If you sign Davis I'm willing to punt Clement if need be.

CF-KK
LF-Varsho
RF-Springer
3B-Davis
2B-Schneider
SS-Bo
1B-Vlad
C- Kirk
DH-Turner

C-Jansen
DH-Vogelbach/Votto
UTIL-IKF
UTIL-Biggio

This isn't perfect, and i still hate the idea of IKF/Biggio as an OF4. IKF is used to come in after Vogelbach PH for someone
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Doesn't look too bad. If they don't bring in JD, you have one spot for Clement/Espinal or a 4th OF. I do kind of like Clement there.
 
axlsalinger said:
Doesn't look too bad. If they don't bring in JD, you have one spot for Clement/Espinal or a 4th OF. I do kind of like Clement there.
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It only looks okay if you add Davis...and even then it's not super flexible.

I get the love for either vogelbach/votto, but when you already have Vlad and Turner and you probably want Jansen DH too...its complicated, and requires alot of faith in Schnieder to manage this, faith i do not have.

If you have both IKF and Espinal on the roster someone should be fired.
 
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