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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Yep. He was available to anyone at $6.9 and no takers so he’s going to get less. And be good value.

Davis should have just take SF’s offer in retrospect ($6.55M).
 
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It would be very Yankees for them to trade for Cease or sign Snell because of a minor injury to Cole and then have them both at full gear by May

Meanwhile we need to beg and pray for the Jays to give 3M to JD Davis, an "okay" offensive player to help the garbage situation they put themselves in at 3B
 
If you look over the sports landscape now, you will see that leagues without a salary cap but a luxury tax have made the "second" apron a soft salary cap limit with harsher deductions for going over the cap over the last 5 years or so. The NBA and MLB have stiffen the penalties for going over the apron that it has effected the value in trades (Siakam) and Free Agents (we will see in basketball, but the NBA FO "should" have a better handle on the cap then baseball as this is really year one).

This development seem to have taken Boras by surprise, but can you blame him? His strategy has worked for the most part over the last 20ish years, (and I mean, Running Backs are now getting money in Free Agency...) but MLB doesn't want to have 5 "Dodgers" and the rest having to luck into being competitive.

The Jays are right up against the "second" apron and going over the line would have to be for a good reason. I don't know if JD Davis is that "good reason", but they should be able to move some money around to add him. And they should.

The off-season has been a bad example of Shatkins managing their "cap". They had around $40 mil to work with, with a lot of holes to fill. A forward thinking FO would try and get the most value for their $40 mil, not just pay market price. And they paid market price.
 
Pwner said:
If you look over the sports landscape now, you will see that leagues without a salary cap but a luxury tax have made the "second" apron a soft salary cap limit with harsher deductions for going over the cap over the last 5 years or so. The NBA and MLB have stiffen the penalties for going over the apron that it has effected the value in trades (Siakam) and Free Agents (we will see in basketball, but the NBA FO "should" have a better handle on the cap then baseball as this is really year one).

This development seem to have taken Boras by surprise, but can you blame him? His strategy has worked for the most part over the last 20ish years, (and I mean, Running Backs are now getting money in Free Agency...) but MLB doesn't want to have 5 "Dodgers" and the rest having to luck into being competitive.

The Jays are right up against the "second" apron and going over the line would have to be for a good reason. I don't know if JD Davis is that "good reason", but they should be able to move some money around to add him. And they should.

The off-season has been a bad example of Shatkins managing their "cap". They had around $40 mil to work with, with a lot of holes to fill. A forward thinking FO would try and get the most value for their $40 mil, not just pay market price. And they paid market price.
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Honestly, the second line isnt that big of a deal, the third one absolutley is.

If you are trying to be serious at the first line there is no reason not to be at the second.

That said, its entirely possible Rogers is taking a hard line with how much these losers spend, relative to how much they actually deliver, and as much as i dont love Rogers, i would be hard pressed to not support them in this hypothetical.

The more accurate guess is that Shatkins has a self imposed philosiphy of not going over it so they can sell themselves as responsible to ownership the next time they need an extension. I truly believe these guys prioritize saving ownership money over building an actual winner.

Also poorly evaluating players, thats a building block too.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I am cautiously optimistic that Daulton Varsho has sorted something out with his approach at the plate
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last year was very weird for him. he should be an above average hitter.

of course maybe we get even luckier, like with kikuchi last year, and he follows up that unreasonably bad season with an unreasonably good season and ends up closer to the impact bat the projections think/thought.
 
zeke said:
last year was very weird for him. he should be an above average hitter.

of course maybe we get even luckier, like with kikuchi last year, and he follows up that unreasonably bad season with an unreasonably good season and ends up closer to the impact bat the projections think/thought.
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Im warming to this possibility.

Wish to hell he was in CF though and we had more of a thumper in LF.
 
Spring OPS


RF Springer 21pa, .985
SS Bichette 30pa, .966
1B Guerrero 20pa, .979
DH Turner 27pa, .862
C Kirk 23pa, 1.043
LF Varsho 29pa, .938
2B Schneider 27pa, .855
CF Kiermaier 18pa, .611
3B Falefa 24pa, .889

C Jansen 22pa, .723
UT Biggio 10pa, 1.475


1B Votto
1B Horwitz 31pa, .303
1B Vogelbach 22pa, .897

IF Escobar 28pa, .292
IF Clement 26pa, 1.143
IF Espinal 26pa, .685

OF Lukes 26pa, 1.208

C Serven 15pa, 1.323
 
Pwner said:
If you look over the sports landscape now, you will see that leagues without a salary cap but a luxury tax have made the "second" apron a soft salary cap limit with harsher deductions for going over the cap over the last 5 years or so. The NBA and MLB have stiffen the penalties for going over the apron that it has effected the value in trades (Siakam) and Free Agents (we will see in basketball, but the NBA FO "should" have a better handle on the cap then baseball as this is really year one).

This development seem to have taken Boras by surprise, but can you blame him? His strategy has worked for the most part over the last 20ish years, (and I mean, Running Backs are now getting money in Free Agency...) but MLB doesn't want to have 5 "Dodgers" and the rest having to luck into being competitive.

The Jays are right up against the "second" apron and going over the line would have to be for a good reason. I don't know if JD Davis is that "good reason", but they should be able to move some money around to add him. And they should.

The off-season has been a bad example of Shatkins managing their "cap". They had around $40 mil to work with, with a lot of holes to fill. A forward thinking FO would try and get the most value for their $40 mil, not just pay market price. And they paid market price.
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The Jays are about $7M into the tax and since it’s their second year in a row, they pay 40% on overage instead of 30%. So if they signed Davis for $4 million, he would actually cost $5.6. I also don’t think that includes Votto’s 2-4M so they would be getting close to the second tier of tax (additional 12%) with any other signing.

Next year the penalty goes up to 50%. At some point ownership is going to stop allowing it.
 
zeke said:
Spring OPS


RF Springer 21pa, .985
SS Bichette 30pa, .966
1B Guerrero 20pa, .979
DH Turner 27pa, .862
C Kirk 23pa, 1.043
LF Varsho 29pa, .938
2B Schneider 27pa, .855
CF Kiermaier 18pa, .611
3B Falefa 24pa, .889

C Jansen 22pa, .723
UT Biggio 10pa, 1.475


1B Votto
1B Horwitz 31pa, .303
1B Vogelbach 22pa, .897

IF Escobar 28pa, .292
IF Clement 26pa, 1.143
IF Espinal 26pa, .685

OF Lukes 26pa, 1.208

C Serven 15pa, 1.323
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Adorable that Eduardo Escobar is still here.

It hopefully means nothing, but Brian Serven is probably the best possible third C you could hope for on a team where C get hurt
 
Player A: 1603PA, 96wrc+
Player B: 1630PA, 105wrc+

One of these guys is the starting LF

The other is Cavan Biggio.
 
manny said:
The Jays are about $7M into the tax and since it’s their second year in a row, they pay 40% on overage instead of 30%. So if they signed Davis for $4 million, he would actually cost $5.6. I also don’t think that includes Votto’s 2-4M so they would be getting close to the second tier of tax (additional 12%) with any other signing.

Next year the penalty goes up to 50%. At some point ownership is going to stop allowing it.
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First, act like a winner....

Second, if you are trying to make me hate the IKF deal more, well done.
 
manny said:
Player A: 1603PA, 96wrc+
Player B: 1630PA, 105wrc+

One if these guys is the starting LF

The other is Cavan Biggio.
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The problem is

Cavan Biggio is not a fucking OF. He looks lost and terrible out there on the regular.

The Jays have this thing where they love versatility, but they dont particularly care if someone is any good at a given spot. Biggio should really only be a 2B/1B, but because of bumblefuckery he's going to get alot of time at 3B, which is unideal and a fair amount in a corner, which is just stupid as his bat isnt even as massive plus where you're fine with it.

Playing him out there everyday would be Colabello/Valencia bad.
 
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