Pwner
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So the Jays will get a 3 Win player for $10 mil? Nice! That is a big win and a great bit of business!Didn’t need to trade for Varsho at all when you can guys like Kiermaier and Michael Taylor for free.
And next year, Varsho will cost as much as those guys, then one more year and he’s a FA too. That’s when Moreno will hit his arbitration years (if they don’t extend him first.)
Also, if Moreno is as good as you say he is (one of the best Catchers in Baseball) then what would his Arbitration awards be? Surely not low.
So are we using WAR/650 now? Cool, no one said Moreno sucks, but what is the probability a Catcher will play near a full season? Would a CF's probability of reaching a full season be higher?
FACT: The Jays have gotten more real value (innings played) out of Varsho than The D-Backs have gotten out of Moreno.
I will restate my position for hopefully the last time. I think Shatkins are a middling front office. Not great, not bad, somewhere in the middle (not bottom 5). They are bad at PR. Their early work wasn't great but they did uncover some legit players (LGJ, TEO), plus they have been legit great at pitching reclamation projects. And have been the only FO to get Rogers to spend up to their potential (though with rate of inflation AA got that too).
Shatkins loves the smell of their own farts. Loves their own algorithms and wants everything done their way (their hitting approach baffles the mind but I am sure they have a data set that leads the way. Also like hard hit ball data is great and all but players still need to make contact...)
I think they are not aggressive enough (much like the Leafs FO, I wonder if Rogers has something to do with it...) and are much more comfortable hitting singles then swinging for the fences (years of control and all).
They have made the play-offs 3 out of the last 5 year (I know, super easy, barely an inconvenience) and have generally made The Jays feel like a big time organization.
But it also seems like most of their moves come in a vacuum, and that there are no through lines or "grand plan" in their player acquisitions.
All of this makes their teams feel disjointed and confusing. But that doesn't mean that they don't or can't make good decisions. Varsho was one of them. He is their second best player. FACT. I don't love that he was stuck playing LF and not the best position for his talents in CF, but Shatkins loves Defence now - over hitting
As I have said, there are a lot of things to ding or hate about Shatkins but Varsho and IKF are bad avatars for that.
It truly feels like the Dubas discussions in Dubas's early years. Now in hindsight the Dubas haters were proven right, and I suspect that the Shatkins haters will be too, but that doesn't mean you can't acknoledge the things they got right.
I know it is hard for you, and your hate of this FO is your main vibe - which to be fair is the vibe of most of the posters in this tread - but give up the Varsho hate, he is probably a good return for Moreno (not great but good).