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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

axlsalinger said:
Sure, we should just assume that Vladdy was always bending over backwards trying to sign a long term contract despite all evidence to the contrary.
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What evidence to the contrary? The only evidence is that he's wanted what he feels he was worth, and that Shatkins was intent on never paying it. There's no evidence at all that he's not been willing to sign, or been asking for extortionist numbers in comparison to his market value to stay.

axlsalinger said:
Also, if we were paying him 40+ million for 10 years, how many at the end would he actually be just a DH? 4?
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Who cares? If he's DH'ing and putting up 140-160 wRC+ seasons still what does it matter?
 
axlsalinger said:
Sure, I agree. And 10 x $40 = $400.

Vlad turns 26 in a month. That contract would take him to age 36.
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I couldnt care less about MLB but no doubt in my mind Vlad`s request started with a 5

Bottom line is this fiasco should have never come to this

Also fat fuck Rogers is probably the numero uno blame pig n this
 
MindzEye said:
What evidence to the contrary? The only evidence is that he's wanted what he feels he was worth, and that Shatkins was intent on never paying it. There's no evidence at all that he's not been willing to sign, or been asking for extortionist numbers in comparison to his market value to stay.



Who cares? If he's DH'ing and putting up 140-160 wRC+ seasons still what does it matter?
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He played this very well publicly (oh yes, I'm such a great guy and I'd love to come back ... at my number) ... but what if his number is 700 million? And I don't know why you're so willing to give in to what a player thinks he's "worth" ... teams and agents both have calculators and comparables.

MINDZ: I think Bo Bichette is worth 6/150. Might be a little much but I've crunched the numbers and think it's fair.
BO: I'm worth 6/400.
MINDZ: The Jays have agreed to sign Bo Bichette for 6 years, $400 million.

Here's a list I found on Reddit, this is not what the players thought they were worth, these are offers MADE BY TEAMS lol. What players think they are worth is not always anywhere near the reality of what they're actually worth.


Juan Gonzalez
Turned down 8 years 140 million, made 38.6 million after that
Left on table: 101.4 million

Tim Lincecum
Turned down 5 years 100 million, 77.5
Left on table: 22.5 million

Neil Walker
Turned down 3 years 42 million, made 6 million after that
Left on table: 36 million

Ian Desmond
Turned down 5 years 89.5 million, made 68 million after that
Left on table: 21.5 million

Nomar Garciaparra
Turned down 4 years 60 million, made 32 million instead
Left on table: 28 million

Casey McGehee
Turned down 4 years 20 million, made 5.6 million after that
Left on table: 14.4 million
 
axlsalinger said:
He played this very well publicly (oh yes, I'm such a great guy and I'd love to come back ... at my number) ... but what if his number is 700 million? And I don't know why you're so willing to give in to what a player thinks he's "worth" ... teams and agents both have calculators and comparables.

MINDZ: I think Bo Bichette is worth 6/150. Might be a little much but I've crunched the numbers and think it's fair.
BO: I'm worth 6/400.
MINDZ: The Jays have agreed to sign Bo Bichette for 6 years, $400 million.
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Why stop there? What if he wants a billion? 3 billion!!! 5 billion!!! What if he wants to annex the fucking country and claim it's GDP as his own to hit baseballs for us??

jesus christ man, there are no depths you won't plumb to slog shit for this management group after a decade of hilarity, are there?



lol at bringing up a bunch of decades old examples btw, that's fucking outstanding dedication to sucking dick. Formidable as the french would say.
 
MindzEye said:
Why stop there? What if he wants a billion? 3 billion!!! 5 billion!!! What if he wants to annex the fucking country and claim it's GDP as his own to hit baseballs for us??
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Nothing blank about it. Pay good players to play for your team and don't dick them around. Both guys want to stay, and we've dicked both around for years now. We're about to walk them to the door and like a good trained seal, you're smacking your flippers together and applauding Shatkins for saving Ed a couple of bucks 10 years from now by letting them go somewhere else.
 
Also i've already said they should have found a way to get a Vladdy deal done, and abjectly FAILED to get the job done.

But there is no scenario where you will objectively try to consider the full picture of what is going on ... all because a guy turned down a job offer 9 years ago.
 
axlsalinger said:
But there is no scenario where you will try to consider the full picture of what is going on
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The full picture is that we've soured the relationship with our franchise 1B and he wants to go somewhere that is serious about building a winner with him there, and there will be a lineup of teams willing to pay his price, that fit that description. That's the full picture.

Well, that's not the full picture I guess. I'll leave out the part about how we're a 250 million dollar 80 win team that's about 6 months away from starting another rebuild. We'll save that for the summer.

axlsalinger said:
all because a guy turned down a job order 9 years ago.
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I guess a demotion is technically a job offer, sure. But if Shatkins weren't a complete clown show (as predicted), I wouldn't still be pining for AA (who won a chip elsewhere and has built a perennial contender) 9 years later.
 
He also has a first baseman a little worse than Vladdy who signed for 8/168 a couple of years ago. I guess his magic formula is not handing the player a blank cheque and asking him to fill in the amount.
 
MON4NHLTOR4MLB said:
Pwner is Shatkins burner account
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Right, right. I should be more like you (first I have to hit my head against the wall a couple of times).... OK, I am woozy now...

"Blue Jays suck. Every player they have sucks, except for the players that left, they rule because Shatkins let them go. Shatkins sucks, worst front office ever. Worst then Mike Milbury! Their coaches suck, you suck for watching the Jays. Be like me and just always think the negative about any Jays transaction. Shatkins are the worst people ever in sports."

"Oh and if you think differently and not with emotions, you suck as well."

How did I do?

Also, the question that I have been meaning to ask "where did Atkins hurt you? Please point to the spot on the bear"
 
Pwner said:
Right, right. I should be more like you (first I have to hit my head against the wall a couple of times).... OK, I am woozy now...

"Blue Jays suck. Every player they have sucks, except for the players that left, they rule because Shatkins let them go. Shatkins sucks, worst front office ever. Worst then Mike Milbury! Their coaches suck, you suck for watching the Jays. Be like me and just always think the negative about any Jays transaction. Shatkins are the worst people ever in sports."

"Oh and if you think differently and not with emotions, you suck as well."

How did I do?

Also, the question that I have been meaning to ask "where did Atkins hurt you? Please point to the spot on the bear"
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I thought he was joking but now I'm convinced he is right
 
lmao this management has been here for a decade, have one of the most expensive teams in baseball and one of the worst systems in baseball, are a bubble wild card team at BEST, a 500 team more likely, and are about to lose their youngish franchise players for peanuts.

and you still have these dorks trying to condescend to anyone who points out how garbage they are, and tell us how rational and reasonable every decision they make is.

christ.
 
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