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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

The Shatkins way lol at least once they trade Vladdy and Bo and get a bunch of trash prospects with AAAA potential and we miss the playoffs with fans barely showing up in September, these clowns should get the can and we can have a fresh strategy and perspective, as long as they stay away from more penny pinching analytic nerds.
 
MON4NHLTOR4MLB said:
The Shatkins way lol at least once they trade Vladdy and Bo and get a bunch of trash prospects with AAAA potential and we miss the playoffs with fans barely showing up in September, these clowns should get the can and we can have a fresh strategy and perspective, as long as they stay away from more penny pinching analytic nerds.
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Im not even convinced it will be this good. Its entirely possible certain players bounce back and the team is in the wild card hunt ( cause its kinda hard not to be) and they just let guys walk for comp picks.
 
I've been willing to give them leeway some other years, but even I'm wearing thin.

I don't mind this latest deal. Gimenez is a lot safer 3-4 WAR or more guy, and I've never really trusted that Horwitz will be anything special. Of course, the problem with Gimenez is that he's making a free agent salary. The team could have just signed Ha-Seong Kim who's pretty much the same player, for probably the same or cheaper deal, and kept Horwitz as a platoon DH.

As I said before when talking about Soto, the team's going to have some rough years ahead, so frankly, they need to just push in right now. Really, they should have forced Cleveland to take another prospect but to eat like 50% of Gimenez' deal, and maybe that would give the team just a little more flexibility to bring in multiple top free agents. They need to sign Burnes, Santander, and another solid RP to be a reliable threat for the division, and that's probably 70m in salary commitments. Instead, you just know the org is only going to spend another 23m or whatever to stay under the CBT limit, which is just dooming them to like an 85 win season again and only getting qualifying offer compensation for Vlad+Bo since the team won't be fully out of it at the deadline.
 
Its just a crazy team building philosphy that has literally, directly made the team less competitive over the last few seasons.

Last year by WAR they were a middling, replacement level (slightly below) offense and had the best defense in the league and were garbage.

So they trade one of their better hitters for a glove that cant hit. Again. At least they didn't have to attach their best prospect this time, only take on a horrible contract.
 
I'll be upset if this is anything close to their "big" move, obviously, but again i can't stress enough that the "big" move should be for pitching, not for hitting.

TOR Hitting: #23 runs scored, #13 wrc+
TOR Pitching: #22 runs against, #26 fip, #24xfip

And they added a bunch of interesting hitting at the deadline that all projects to be useful along with a bunch of already existing options. And a number of key hitters project to bounce back this year in a significant way as well. There's plenty of reason to be optimistic that this can be an above average offense with elite defense.

But on the pitching side they've lost Kikuchi and haven't replaced him, and arguably overachieved last year already. A big SP add not only is a huge upgrade to the rotation but pushes some other good arms into the pen to help there. There's not much hope to being an above average pitching staff unless all the cards come up right - the old guys stay effective and then a bunch of the big question marks (manoah francis yariel tiedemann) all come up big too.
 
zeke said:
I'll be upset if this is anything close to their "big" move, obviously, but again i can't stress enough that the "big" move should be for pitching, not for hitting.

TOR Hitting: #23 runs scored, #13 wrc+
TOR Pitching: #22 runs against, #26 fip, #24xfip

And they added a bunch of interesting hitting at the deadline that all projects to be useful along with a bunch of already existing options. And a number of key hitters project to bounce back this year in a significant way as well. There's plenty of reason to be optimistic that this can be an above average offense with elite defense.

But on the pitching side they've lost Kikuchi and haven't replaced him, and arguably overachieved last year already. A big SP add not only is a huge upgrade to the rotation but pushes some other good arms into the pen to help there. There's not much hope to being an above average pitching staff unless all the cards come up right - the old guys stay effective and then a bunch of the big question marks (manoah francis yariel tiedemann) all come up big too.
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I mean, this is logical, but I wouldn't get your hopes up
 
leafman101 said:
Sure, but they just traded their second best wrc+ bat for an 83.

So they made the lineup worse.
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i think they have a number of low-D bats that profile similarly to Horwitz. though it's definitely possible with these dummies that despite being a 27yr old rookie that he might actually be a legit good full time mlb hitter that just didn't get playing time. though maybe they just figure they can pick up a cheapo vet who can give them 120 at the DH spot like horwitz. i dunno know what they're actually thinking.

they've accumulated a number of interesting youngish borderline MLB hitters - if they're gonna block them with expensive guys then they should be at least trying to package a bunch of them together for upgrades elsewhere.
 
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